New Bills Introduced:

[larrymeyer]

New Bills Introduced:

SB 1171 By Fumo. Amends Title 18 (Crimes and Offenses) further providing for the offense of carrying a firearm without a license by stating that upon conviction an offender would serve a mandatory minimum one-year sentence.
- Nov 27, 2007 - Referred to Senate Judiciary

SB 1173 By Robbins. Amends Titles 18 (Crimes and Offenses) and 42 (Judiciary and Judicial Procedure) further providing, in general principles of justification, for definitions, for use of force in self-protection, for use of force for the protection of other persons and for licenses to carry firearms; providing for civil immunity for use of force; and further providing for sentences for offenses committed with firearms.
- Nov 27, 2007 - Referred to Senate Judiciary


SB 1205 By Hughes Amends Title 18 (Crimes & Offenses) further providing that if the reasonable efforts of the PA State Police and the local law enforcement agency required under section 6111.1(b)(4) (relating to Pennsylvania State Police) fail to identify the lawful owner of a confiscated firearm or if the lawful owner of a confiscated firearm is identified but otherwise prohibited from possessing it, the firearm must be destroyed, unless it is evidence in an ongoing investigation. A registry will be created to catalog all firearms confiscated and destroyed.
12- 7-07 S Introduced and referred to committee on Senate Judiciary

[ar15jules]

This tidbit on Robbins....

Senator Robbins Introduces "Stand Your Ground" Bill
Would bar prosecution of those defending themselves in an attack
Those protecting themselves from an attacker should not have to also worry about protecting themselves from prosecution later, according to Senator Bob Robbins (R-50).

With that in mind, Senator Robbins is introducing Senate Bill 1173, which would provide protection from criminal prosecution and civil litigation for those who defend themselves when threatened by an attacker in any place an individual has a right to be.

"My legislation is commonly called the "Stand Your Ground" bill," Senator Robbins said. "Senate Bill 1173 presumes that an attacker or intruder intends to do great bodily harm and therefore force -- including deadly force -- may be used to protect yourself, your family and others in the face of danger. However, an individual would still need to demonstrate a reasonable belief that he or she was in imminent danger to use lethal force."

So far 14 states (Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee and Texas) have enacted "Stand Your Ground" laws.

Senate Bill 1173 has been referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee for consideration.

[Wasz]

Um I swear I'm not dumb, but sometimes these things get me a little turned around. Can you dumb it down a shade for me? Is this good or bad or what?

[Longshot]

IMO, I think the "Stand your Ground" is good, I am not 100% sure but the way I read it is, we would no longer have to retreat. I think... Correct me if I am wrong

not sure about the others though.

[DaveM55]

(Sarcasm ON) "Stand your Ground" laws will return to the Wild West with shootouts every day in the streets. (Sarcasm OFF)

[Weights]

Definitely glad to see this bill introduced in the legislature. Ohio has one before it now too. Thankfully, many of our legislators support it and so does governor strickland. Now, I wonder if good old eddie would sign a bill like this or not?

[TaePo]

Why do trafficked guns always have to be destroyed?

I would think, if the s/n is still legible (or a new one stamped on) we should have firearm public auctions "as-is" sales etc.

(Personally I would not want one used in a murder but someone else might not mind. Most would be 'not used or fired'.)

Granted, most would not be of good quality but there are some gems.

[Eugene V. Debs]

This is a good example of what I was talking about here: http://www.pafoa.org/forum/general-2...ease-read.html

I can tell you from a decade of labor activism, working with different unions all over the country, there are a LOT of pro-2a union members. Vince Fumo is dependent on union support. If union 2a supporters were better organized, Fumo would not be introducing these types of bills.

[Brick]

Originally Posted by TaePo

Why do trafficked guns always have to be destroyed?

I would think, if the s/n is still legible (or a new one stamped on) we should have firearm public auctions "as-is" sales etc.

(Personally I would not want one used in a murder but someone else might not mind. Most would be 'not used or fired'.)

Granted, most would not be of good quality but there are some gems.

You should read the entire bill. It specifically FORBIDS the sale of confiscated firearms. Plus, "confiscated firearms" are neccessarily illegal or siezed in criminal actions. Some are fireasrms ILLEGALLY SEIZED by the police as Philly cops have a tendency to do even when the arms carrier has an LTCF issued from another jurisdiction.

See the thread in the Pennsylvania legal section New Legislation - Destruction of Confiscated Guns

[ChamberedRound]

Here's my quick thoughts on these bills:

Originally Posted by larrymeyer

New Bills Introduced:

SB 1171 By Fumo. Amends Title 18 (Crimes and Offenses) further providing for the offense of carrying a firearm without a license by stating that upon conviction an offender would serve a mandatory minimum one-year sentence.
- Nov 27, 2007 - Referred to Senate Judiciary

This one needs to disappear immediately. This is yet another attempt to criminalize law-abiding gun owners which might have had simply made a mistake. See my comments on this legislation here:
http://www.pafoa.org/forum/pennsylva...tml#post143473

Originally Posted by larrymeyer

SB 1173 By Robbins. Amends Titles 18 (Crimes and Offenses) and 42 (Judiciary and Judicial Procedure) further providing, in general principles of justification, for definitions, for use of force in self-protection, for use of force for the protection of other persons and for licenses to carry firearms; providing for civil immunity for use of force; and further providing for sentences for offenses committed with firearms.
- Nov 27, 2007 - Referred to Senate Judiciary

This seems a lot like HB641 (Castle Doctrine/Stand Your Ground bill), so I support this.

Originally Posted by larrymeyer

SB 1205 By Hughes Amends Title 18 (Crimes & Offenses) further providing that if the reasonable efforts of the PA State Police and the local law enforcement agency required under section 6111.1(b)(4) (relating to Pennsylvania State Police) fail to identify the lawful owner of a confiscated firearm or if the lawful owner of a confiscated firearm is identified but otherwise prohibited from possessing it, the firearm must be destroyed, unless it is evidence in an ongoing investigation. A registry will be created to catalog all firearms confiscated and destroyed.
12- 7-07 S Introduced and referred to committee on Senate Judiciary

Again, this one should go away. Another attempt by the legislation to give LEOs more power to destroy private property. In addition, this is also a veiled attempt to create a more complete gun registry.