House panel shoots down Rendell's gun control bills

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reporting your gun stolen being a law a good idea???
Like , what are the cops going do about it anyhow? Not like they are going go out and find the guy who stole it , they have a hard enough time finding stolen cars , and look how friggin big they are
They may find it if used in a crime , but good luck getting it back then anyhow "but they will know who DIDN"T report it"
so now its just not the burglar who is a bad guy but the victim of the burgarly is to
I am not sure come election time much will happen , after all who let fast eddie in there in the 1st place? And gore won the PA vote awhile back , I ain't too sure sometimes what the hell is going on with Pa voters.

[ar15jules]

I don't agree with any legislation that could possibly harm a law abiding citizen. Gun owner or not. I would have voted "nay" if I were a rep. Now, I will say this. I UNDERSTAND, but don't agree with the thinking on this one. Someone posted already that any of us here would report a firearm stolen almost immediately upon discovering it missing. I know I would do the same. Many firearms that are recovered from CRIMINALS are in fact stolen ones. Many times they have been reported stolen to the police. When you report a stolen firearm, it goes into NCIC as a stolen firearm. Let's say the police in Nashville, TN recover YOUR pistol in Nashville, they have to enter it as a recovered firearm. AND YES, you get your pistol back. It is not held in pistol purgatory. It may take some time, but better to wait than not have it at all. All too often, what happens is this. A firearm is recovered from Joe Blow. Joe Blow may have filed off the serial number. Police have serial number raised, and learn that the firearm belongs to Nancy Citizen of Harrisburg. They contact Nancy, and she says, ohhhhhhh man, that was stolen from my car like six years ago.....I never reported it. Who in the hell would do that? Someone who made a straw purchase for either cash or crack. Again, I do not support the bill, but understand the reasoning behind it. Philly is pushing to cut down on straw purchases. Joe Blow himself is not going to walk into Gander Mountain and buy his "40". Most of the time he knows that he can't, because of a firearm disability and is aware of the required paperwork. There are too many Nancy Citizens buying firearms though and giving them to these guys. The firearms are being sold somewhere legally before they hit the streets. I am not indicating that I would support one hand gun a month, or any of the other bills mentioned. I am just making an observation. I am now prepared for the flaming.....
Jules

[RUDY850]

They could also use this law for any future gun bans.

OK. According to are records that we have. You know. The ones were not suppose to have. You have this gun in your position. No I lost that gun on a fishing trip. Well you did not report it lost or stolen.

[ar15jules]

Originally Posted by RUDY850

They could also use this law for any future gun bans.

OK. According to are records that we have. You know. The ones were not suppose to have. You have this gun in your position. No I lost that gun on a fishing trip. Well you did not report it lost or stolen.

I am a bit confused by your post, How could it be used for a gun ban?
Jules

[RUDY850]

Originally Posted by ar15jules

I am a bit confused by your post, How could it be used for a gun ban?
Jules

Some say that if there is a gun ban on all guns or just a certain type of gun that they would not turn them in. They would say that they just lost them or got them stolen. With this law they wont be able to do that, Give up the gun or go to jail.

[RoyJackson]

Originally Posted by vic2367

excellent news neverless for us gun owners,,

Not quite...it's excellent news for all freedom loving Pennsylvanians and Americans

[wewo]

Originally Posted by nfafan

No, passage would not be a bad thing.

And no - it does not prevent a criminal from using it.

But... Quote:

Owners could face fines or even jail time if they failed to do so. Mr. Rendell said such a reporting requirement would go a long way toward stopping "straw purchasers,'' people without a police record who are paid money by criminals to buy guns for them.

End-quote.

If any NORMAL person just "lost". misplaced, or were robbed of a gun - they wouldn't think twice about calling the cops and insurance company to report it.

But for straw-purchases...

Maybe Tayeesha or Qwaneenee would think twice the next time they straw-purchase a gun for their current breeder-of-the-week - especially if they knew they would not be able to maintain their 6-inch nails in the bighouse.

Tayeesha wouldn't be able to say "it was stolded, I dint know nuttin bout it missin" when a gun papered to her shows up at a crime scene.

wow, a wee bit racist ... anyway, the Bill provided that it would be summary offensive to not report a firearm stolen or lost within 24 hours of learning of its disappearance, and a misdemeanor to intentionally not report a firearm lost all stolen ... This was the language that was supposed to be corrected after it was last voted on (The Committtee had permitted reconsideration) but it was not. No one could adequately explain the difference between not reporting and intentionally not reporting. In all events if you did not know it was lost or stolen it would not be a violation.

[dogngun]

Problems with the lost/stolen gun reporting bill: It's completely unnecessary. "Straw Purchases" are already illegal, and the sentencing guidelines for purchasers of guns for resale to criminals have recently been increased.
"Straw Purchasing" has become the buzzword of the year for the lazy, stupid pols who keep insisting that more laws will stop crime when existing laws are not enforced.

These proposed laws had no basis in reality, they were desighed simply to score points for the politicians who supportd them as "crusaders" against the evil "gun lobby."

I am a lifelong Democrat, and I was glad to see that the vote against this stupidity crossed party lines.

Ed Rendell is a lying scum.

Mark

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Originally Posted by ar15jules

AND YES, you get your pistol back. It is not held in pistol purgatory.

Hmm , thats odd , I mention that as both a rifle and pistol I had in mind when I made that comment were , "destroyed" as tools or "something like that" of crime and not given back to the person whom to they belonged. The pistol had been used in a crime the rifle was just in the bad guys car not used but both stolen from the same place

[cz_40p]

Liberal media's agenda is peaking through, If only the masses would look. In the days leading up to Ed Rendell's address before the legislative committee he was portrayed in the press a valiant warrior going into the den of enemy to DEMAND change. Now that the effort has failed, the story has changed somewhat. Now the Governor was out maneuvered by the the republicans and The evil NRA. You will notice that the article fails to mention that Rendell's argument was rejected by members of his own party on the committee. There is not one mention of the democrats who voted against this legislation.

This story is by the AP's Peter Jackson and has been parroted in many of states newspapers. Are they teaching journalism in colleges today or just propaganda dissemination.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

I was more surprised that this story in The Philadelphia Inquirer was on the whole more balanced and included a link to the actual votes

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/break...rol_bills.html

Maybe there is hope for Pennsylvania. It seems on some level our politicians are listening to the will of the people and not the power elite.