House panel shoots down Rendell's gun control bills

[NineseveN]

Originally Posted by itstock

It's not making us a victim, and it's not just as simple as..."24 hours". If you go on vacation, and come back a week later, they aren't going to arrest you for not reporting it. It's not how it works.

It works however they say it works until you spend your money and fight to prove they're wrong...then it works that way again for the next guy. Anyone thinking otherwise isn't paying attention to the posts here about guns being confiscated because they're not registered in PA or LTCF's being revoked for open carry.

[itstock]

Originally Posted by TheBuckslayer

Committee JUDICIARY Date November 20, 2007
Bill/Resolution HB29 PN0054 Type of Motion To Table
Sponsor Rep. Williams Co-Sponsor Rep. James
Brief Description providing for registry for lost or stolen firearms and for failure to report lost or stolen firearm


They voted Aye on tabling it. ( to be revisited @ a future date.)

correct, fail on moving the notion, fail on moving the notion, pass on moving the notion (fail fail pass)

[D-FENS]

Originally Posted by LorDiego01

Which really... is that a bad thing?

Well, IMO it's the least offensive of the other three bills. My opposition to this bill revolves around the 5th Amendment against self-incrimination. It may sound like a stretch but as I figure it, Philly Police are revoking LTCF's on account of a firearm being lost or stolen. While reporting your firearm lost or stolen may not violate any laws, it opens you up to legal consequences (revocation of permit).

Along the same logic, what if you're on vacation and your house is broken in to. Your neighbor or roommate calls you to tell you that your firearms have been taken. Upon your return, you file a police report about the stolen items (assuming only you can itemize). What happens then? You may have known a gun or several guns were stolen but you didn't call to report them stolen in the specified time frame.

On a separate note, I don't understand what this bill would accomplish ultimately. Aren't there already laws against straw purchasers? Isn't that what this bill is supposed to target? I say we start tossing these people in the big house instead of them getting a plea deal for lesser charges.

On an entirely separate note, here's my view on charges for stuff like this, presuming they're brought against a straw purchaser or someone illegally carrying a stolen firearm. So, they pick up some guy or girl on these offenses. They probably have a few priors and/or this is a violation of their probation. Instead of sending these people to the big house for a few years, they cut them a deal. In turn, these people go buy a bundle of heroin in a controlled buy. They then pick up the seller of the drugs and let the other person off with 2 more years of probation and few hundred hours of community service and fines. Now you have this drug dealer that gets picked up on drug charges. He may or may not also be carrying an illegal firearm illegally or have a list of priors. Instead of throwing this guy in the big house for a few years, they cut him a deal. He goes and does a controlled buy of a 1/4 of marijuana and gets off with some additional probation, fines, community service and maybe some minor jail time if he's got a long sheet and is on probation already. The seller of that weed? Yeah, he's going to jail for a year.

It works like this because heroin = marijuana according to the law. While a bundle (9-13 baggies) of heroin is less than 31 grams and a misdemeanor. That 1/4 lb is a nice big felony. Might be close to a school, too... This is a DA's game. Build your resume as a crimefighter by numbers. You've gotten x number of illegal guns off the street (nevermind if they served time for them). You've got x drug dealers convicted (of minor crimes) and You've got x number of Felony drug convictions(for relatively small amounts of weed). Now, that's looks impressive!

/Rant

[bogey1]

Originally Posted by itstock

If you are in the habit of "misplacing" your guns, you probably shouldn't own one anyway. I did say RESPONSIBLE gun owners.

true..but it does happen, even to the best of em...i know what you mean but, its just another law that can be manufactured into fifteen other laws. its never ending. there has to be a different way to go about this. im just waiting for one.

[bogey1]

Originally Posted by NineseveN

It works however they say it works until you spend your money and fight to prove they're wrong...then it works that way again for the next guy. Anyone thinking otherwise isn't paying attention to the posts here about guns being confiscated because they're not registered in PA or LTCF's being revoked for open carry.

thumbs up....

[Brick]

Originally Posted by dragonofpa

Oh nnnooooooeessssss HB29 passed. I don't think this is a good thing.

Calm down, the vote on HB 29 was to table the bill, not pass it. That means it still sits in committee, can still be ammended and must be brought again to to the committee for a vote.

[nfafan]

Originally Posted by brewguy

The question is how does it prevent a criminal from using it?

No, passage would not be a bad thing.

And no - it does not prevent a criminal from using it.

But... Quote:

Owners could face fines or even jail time if they failed to do so. Mr. Rendell said such a reporting requirement would go a long way toward stopping "straw purchasers,'' people without a police record who are paid money by criminals to buy guns for them.

End-quote.

If any NORMAL person just "lost". misplaced, or were robbed of a gun - they wouldn't think twice about calling the cops and insurance company to report it.

But for straw-purchases...

Maybe Tayeesha or Qwaneenee would think twice the next time they straw-purchase a gun for their current breeder-of-the-week - especially if they knew they would not be able to maintain their 6-inch nails in the bighouse.

Tayeesha wouldn't be able to say "it was stolded, I dint know nuttin bout it missin" when a gun papered to her shows up at a crime scene.

[vic2367]

excellent news neverless for us gun owners,,

[stimpy17]

Outstanding! Thanks to all that rode shotgun on the defeat of this nightmare load of crap. Remember to send "thank-yous" to those on our side to let them know we were watching them.

I'm watching you!
I'm watching you watching me!

[stimpy17]

I hate to see a corrupt fat man cry.