House panel shoots down Rendell's gun control bills

[762xIan]

I agree that a stolen or lost gun should be reported ASAP, so I can't say that I would want that bill to fail. Any responsible gun owner with half a brain would report a gun stolen as soon as realizing it.

The point is it makes US...the victim of a crime, a criminal if you fail to realize you have a missing firearm and fail to report it within 24 hours.

In addition remedies already exist in PA law, under the negligence statutes (Title 18, sections 302-306), that provide for enforcement in these areas. There is NO reason to for this legislation UNLESS you want to expand the intrusion of government into the lives of otherwise law abiding citizens who are exercising their rights.

Congrats to all who e-mailed and contacted your reps.....big pat on the back for a job well done! We made Rendell look like a smacked ass.

[danp]

Originally Posted by dragonofpa

Oh nnnooooooeessssss HB29 passed. I don't think this is a good thing.

It did not pass, it was tabled for further amendments to be voted on again.

[danp]

Originally Posted by LorDiego01

I thought that one of the passed.

THe one about forcing people to tell police if they lost or had their firearms stolen.
Which really... is that a bad thing?

It didn't pass, it was tabled for further amendment and later votes.

And it is a bad thing. It seems ok at first glance but it is ripe for abuse and will do nothing to stop crime.

[bogey1]

Originally Posted by itstock

fail.fail.pass.


At least the MAJORITY had the sense to fail the first two. I agree that a stolen or lost gun should be reported ASAP, so I can't say that I would want that bill to fail. Any responsible gun owner with half a brain would report a gun stolen as soon as realizing it.

you have to be careful. if you misplace a gun and call it in lost then two weeks later you find it, now they have your information. so when the all out ban comes they know where to go... i think its just too much information in the wrong hands. this bill can and will lead to many draconian bills to come...if passed.

[itstock]

Originally Posted by bogey1

you have to be careful. if you misplace a gun and call it in lost then two weeks later you find it, now they have your information. so when the all out ban comes they know where to go... i think its just too much information in the wrong hands. this bill can and will lead to many draconian bills to come...if passed.

If you are in the habit of "misplacing" your guns, you probably shouldn't own one anyway. I did say RESPONSIBLE gun owners.

[itstock]

Originally Posted by 762xIan

The point is it makes US...the victim of a crime, a criminal if you fail to realize you have a missing firearm and fail to report it within 24 hours.

In addition remedies already exist in PA law, under the negligence statutes (Title 18, sections 302-306), that provide for enforcement in these areas. There is NO reason to for this legislation UNLESS you want to expand the intrusion of government into the lives of otherwise law abiding citizens who are exercising their rights.

Congrats to all who e-mailed and contacted your reps.....big pat on the back for a job well done! We made Rendell look like a smacked ass.

It's not making us a victim, and it's not just as simple as..."24 hours". If you go on vacation, and come back a week later, they aren't going to arrest you for not reporting it. It's not how it works.

[itstock]

Originally Posted by Garpman

Well, as gun lovers, we would report our guns anyway when we found out because we are enthusiasts, and responsible.

However, if they make it into law that you have a time limit to do so, it could turn you into a guilty party if you were away from home for whatever reason, business, travel, etc. You know damn well that if a crime was committed with a stolen gun, and they traced it to you as being the owner, they'd throw the book first and not listen to any reasons why you didn't report it, even if you were not home and were ignorant of the fact.

And then would come legal battles, spending ridiculous amounts of money, trying to clear your name, most likely the rest of your guns confiscated, not being able to purchase more during the case, license revoked, etc.

I disagree with this interpretation of the 24 hour rule, but generally agree.

[lonehiker]

as i was watching the fatso pleeding his case full of bull crap to the committee he sure did bring a lot of uniformed intimatators with him, this should not be allowed !

intimidation before a legisative vote should be against the law

[Marlboro Man]

I keep hering if you dont no your guns are missing. what kind of FOOLYOU! i no where my guns are at all times. in a safe or with a frind if i will be out of town. im sick of peple saying i did not on (ass hole) have a nice day grow up

[TheBuckslayer]

Originally Posted by itstock

fail.fail.pass.


At least the MAJORITY had the sense to fail the first two. I agree that a stolen or lost gun should be reported ASAP, so I can't say that I would want that bill to fail. Any responsible gun owner with half a brain would report a gun stolen as soon as realizing it.

Committee JUDICIARY Date November 20, 2007
Bill/Resolution HB29 PN0054 Type of Motion To Table
Sponsor Rep. Williams Co-Sponsor Rep. James
Brief Description providing for registry for lost or stolen firearms and for failure to report lost or stolen firearm


They voted Aye on tabling it. ( to be revisited @ a future date.)