Federal lawsuit filed against Cleveland Heights Police [OH]

[gnbrotz]

Originally Posted by leeam

It'd be nice if NRA/GOA/ACLU would fund these rights violations cases.

The civil rights cases are often done with at least a partial, if not full, contingency agreement, so the plaintiffs do not have to lay thousands of dollars out of their own pockets in advance, but rather pay a percentage of any award.

I'd rather see these organizations getting more involved where gun owners end up as defendants under bogus circumstances so case law and precedent could be strengthened. This, in turn, could potentially make civil cases easier to bring and more costly for those in authority who choose to disregard the limits placed upon them.

[redeye202]

Boys and girls,please remember that anything with the word FEDERAL in it usually has the word POLITICAL lurking and working behind the curtin. Yes i'm wearing my tin foil hat as i type this.

[granuale]

Originally Posted by jslack7851

this may be the case that changes America. Lets support Joe and hope for the best. Mountain Jack, you should be first. Joe wasn't arrested but violated in much the same way, except you have much more damages!

My guess is the case won't even change the behavior of the Cleveland Heights Police. I'm really happy he sued though. I love when he keeps asking if this is Nazi Germany. He does it so calmly without emotion, it sounds like an unrhetorical question.

Originally Posted by t1m0thy

I threw up in my mouth when I heard the woman officer start in and babble her lies. "We know the law like you THINK you know the law." Ugh...

I'd like to see/hear her reaction when the suit gets settled. I hope a handwritten letter of apology is part of the settlement.

Originally Posted by fastfive0

wow this was almost exactly what happened to me last summer at the wyoming valley mall except i was concealed and someone saw it while i was in ATT for an iphone lol. I should have sued the hell outta WB twp police also! I was frisked,searched and held for over 45 minutes in the middle of the att store! Hope this guy lays the smack down on them lol

You need to consult a lawyer immediately.

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by redeye202

Boys and girls,please remember that anything with the word FEDERAL in it usually has the word POLITICAL lurking and working behind the curtin. Yes i'm wearing my tin foil hat as i type this.

???

Please elaborate.

[headcase]

I hope the next words he hears from that female cop are, "We know your car/house/dog/ is as clean as you think we should have cleaned it, boss.".

[Steve_NEPhila]

This is a pretty good one. I will watch this with great interest.

The aspect I enjoy the most is that the police somehow believe that they have the ability to investigate anyone they see fit without RAS. On the audio they can be heard repeatedly claiming "we do not know who you are." As if that matters in any way. What they were saying in effect is that "we can do whatever we wish, whenever we wish, your rights be damned."

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by Steve_NEPhila

... "we do not know who you are."

I seem to recall hearing this same thing before.. I can't put my finger on where though...

[nlcrsn]

I dont know who you are so I must investigate if your "really innocent" before I prove your guilty!
I'll bet it is one of those things taught by academy instructors.

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by nlcrsn

I dont know who you are so I must investigate if your "really innocent" before I prove your guilty!
I'll bet it is one of those things taught by academy instructors.

No, it comes from "on the job" training.
Police receive a small amount of state sanctioned training and then they hit the streets under the supervision of the more experienced officers.
They do as they have been taught, on the street, by other officers. Even if it contradicts what they have learned in the academy.

Example: Traffic stop.
The first time they see someone stopped, that admits they have a firearm, they see that the gun is taken, serial numbers run and 50 questions asked. So, next time they come across that situation they do as they witnessed and were shown how to do it.

It's become common, but incorrect knowledge that the first thing you do when you see someone doing something "questionable" is demand their ID.
People largely (nearly unanimously) comply. Even those who know they are not obligated usually comply. After all, they don't want to give the officer a hard time. They're just doing their job...

[Rauswaffen]

Let's hope Joe will bring da rukus to dat ass.