Gun Bearer Has Pointed Discussion With Police Officer

[jslack7851]

I've read that since that video was made, the OP was indeed arrested. There was a Search warrant issued for a search of his home. Police in in fact find a loaded rifle with the safety off. The guy with the video denies he left the safety off. Some guy named Jones posted some information that only could of been found on a Sunday night (tonight) by using a police computer. And then Jones deleted his post. This is getting JUCY... heres the link to the thread.

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_to...33&forum_id=41

Heres the news paper article. http://www.news-record.com/content/2...bortion_clinic

This reminds me of Mountain Jack's story except the cops didn't go through his house and trump up charges. Check it out, draw your own conclusions.

[Viprdude]

Ah yes and the plot thickens...

[mrjam2jab]

I dont get it...what grounds could there possibly have been a search warrant issued???

[Bruce]

Originally Posted by mrjam2jab

I dont get it...what grounds could there possibly have been a search warrant issued???

The person in question has a "record" (of some sort) or there are prior substantial, officially recorded, "complaints" against/regarding him...

There are, simply, considerably more factors to the "story" than have been reported thus far...

Possibly even very simply: a "rabidly anti-2A" judge...

There are many possible explanations why such a search warrant was issued.
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[jslack7851]

From what I've researched, the Camera man (Jim Penn) was denied a concealed permit b/c 5 years and couple of months ago he was convicted of a 'violence offense', what ever that means. A guy called NCJones got his record on a Sunday night about 6 PM. He has since deleted most of his posts. (LEO using police computers?) Theres a big string on OC.ORG.

But with North Carolina's constitution reading:

North Carolina Constitution on the right to keep and bear arms (defending life and liberty, protecting property, pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, privacy)

Article 1, Section 30

Militia and the right to bear arms

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; and, as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they shall not be maintained, and the military shall be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power. Nothing herein shall justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons, or prevent the General Assembly from enacting penal statutes against that practice.

I would venture to guess that some of North Carolina's other laws are UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Like for example:

§14-415.11(c)
4. Events Occurring In Public Places
North Carolina law further makes it unlawful for any person participating in, affiliated with, or present as a spectator at any parade, funeral procession, picket line, or demonstration upon any public place, owned or under the control of the State of North Carolina, or any of its political subdivisions, to willfully or intentionally possess, or have immediate access to any dangerous weapon.

I'm not sure if I posted this yet but It was dated yesterday.

http://www.news-record.com/content/2...bortion_clinic

[Carnes]

Not to go off topic, but I can't help but point out the following.

Originally Posted by jslack7851

...with North Carolina's constitution reading:

...as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they shall not be maintained, and the military shall be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power...

NC is home to:

Pope Air Force Base
Seymour Johnson Air Force Base
Fort Bragg
Simmons Army Airfield
USCG Air Station, Elizabeth City
Camp Lejeune Marine Base
Cherry Point Air Station
New River Air Station
Cherry Point Naval Air Depot

[Bruce]

Originally Posted by Carnes

Not to go off topic, but I can't help but point out the following.



NC is home to:

Pope Air Force Base
Seymour Johnson Air Force Base
Fort Bragg
Simmons Army Airfield
USCG Air Station, Elizabeth City
Camp Lejeune Marine Base
Cherry Point Air Station
New River Air Station
Cherry Point Naval Air Depot

Please correct me if I am mistaken, but those are all federal forces located on federal land.

That said, it is entirely debatable whether or not the federal government itself has the proper Constitutional authority to maintain a 'standing military'. Some will argue that it does not.

Personally, I'd be perfectly happy with (and seriously doubt there'd be much current government objection to) a Constitutional amendment that provided for a permanent 'standing military' to, once and for all, settle any such debate. There are simply too many actual (and potential) enemies of America out there (that threaten both America and it's allies) to even partially disband our current military in any foreseeable future (though, technically, the War Powers Act does cover this specifically).
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[Adam-12]

Originally Posted by Bruce

Personally, I'd be perfectly happy with (and seriously doubt there'd be much current government objection to) a Constitutional amendment that provided for a permanent ban on any 'standing military' to, once and for all, settle any such debate.

Fixed it for you.

There are simply too many actual (and potential) enemies of America out there...

95% of them are in DC. I'd support turning DC into a penal colony, imposing a death penalty for attempting to leave or communicate with the outside world, and posting a standing military around it with shoot-to-kill orders. Every four years we can have an election, and anyone black-hearted enough to want that kind of power can be chucked over the wall into DC.

[Bruce]

Originally Posted by Adam-12

95% of them are in DC. I'd support turning DC into a penal colony, imposing a death penalty for attempting to leave or communicate with the outside world, and posting a standing military around it with shoot-to-kill orders. Every four years we can have an election, and anyone black-hearted enough to want that kind of power can be chucked over the wall into DC.

Once upon a time, back in the days of sail-powered wooden ships and horse-powered wooden carts and carriages, I could possibly agree with the idea that there is no need for a standing military.

However, we would also have to agree to be totally isolated, politically and in every other way, and shun any alliance whatsoever, of any sort, with any foreign peoples.

Let the evil dictatorial thugs of the world kill each other's - or even their own people - by the millions. Heck, by the billions! Why should we care? Right? Let the rest of the world go to heck. We can live without a "global" economy. After all, it's not our problem...

Until, of course, they come knocking at our door, that is.

Yeah, under the right, true "isolationist" (screw everyone, everywhere, else - let 'em kill each other in the most inhumane way imaginable and then let G-d sort 'em out) mentality, I could agree with you. ...Maybe. ...Way back when.

Unfortunately, I, personally, actually do give a crap about human lives outside the United States. I know... Very 'black-hearted' of me. Especially if they are freedom-loving, relatively 'innocent', and (at least, potentially) American ally human lives.

Also, in the age of stealth jet bombers and aircraft carriers, nuclear-powered submarines, and not to mention nuclear-payload ICBMs, with people like Kim Jong-il, Hugo Chávez, and not to mention Osama bin Laden, running around in the world, I am not sure how wise it would be to have no 'proper', highly trained, professional 'standing military' of any significant size whatsoever.

...But that's just me.
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[Adam-12]

Originally Posted by Bruce

Once upon a time, back in the days of sail-powered wooden ships and horse-powered wooden carts and carriages, I could possibly agree with the idea that there is no need for a standing military.

100,000,000 men with an M1A and a supply of .308 is more than adequate to repel any imaginable invasion that doesn't include those creatures from Aliens. That's why those smart old dead white dudes invented a rule that government may not restrain any free man's right to keep and bear arms.

However, we would also have to agree to be totally isolated, politically and in every other way, and shun any alliance whatsoever, of any sort, with any foreign peoples.

I don't quite get how you're going from "no standing army" to "isolated in every way." Free trade is conducted by regular people, not soldiers.

Let the evil dictatorial thugs of the world kill each other's - or even their own people - by the millions. Heck, by the billions! ... Until, of course, they come knocking at our door, that is.

That's where 100,000,000 men with M1As and a supply of .308 get out of bed, shoot twice and go home.

Yeah, under the right, true "isolationist" (screw everyone, everywhere...) mentality, I could agree with you. ...Maybe.

There's something dishonest about the term "isolationist" here. It's not your fault; the term wasn't your idea. But by that word you're saying that free trade in goods, services and ideas is "isolation" and a "screw 'em" mentality. The only way to NOT be isolated and to show our love for our fellow man is to shoot and bomb the shit out of them. Tens of thousands of Iraqis with no ties to terror would love it if we'd go for some of that "isolation" stuff--except they're already dead.

It's a bit like saying that I'm a "reclusive" neighbor because I have cookouts, borrow a cup of sugar, and help you rake your leaves. The only way for me to start being an involved, caring neighbor is if I come over there with a shotgun, kill your dog and rape your wife.

Unfortunately, I, personally, actually do give a crap about human lives outside the United States.

See above. It's a strange sort of philanthropy that feels good about itself only when it's made a bad situation incredibly worse, slaughtered thousands upon thousands, and fucked up the lives of the rest beyond repair.

Also, in the age of stealth jet bombers and aircraft carriers, nuclear-powered submarines, and not to mention nuclear-payload ICBMs...

Those things are issues, yes. It's one of the biggest reasons that government must be stopped: it can't be trusted with those kinds of destructive implements. But you're assuming that the only way to protect ourselves against such attacks is to empower our own strongman, give him that kind of awesome power over us, and then pray to him to keep us safe. Since we actually know human nature first-hand, it's kind of hard to believe we could be that stupid. At least when our forefathers prayed to the storm gods for protection, they didn't already know for absolute certain that the storm gods were untrustworthy bastards.

We already know the cure is worse than the disease. There are better ways to deal with these types of threats.