2009 MPOETC Mandatory In-Service Training

[djturnz]

Do 911 operators receive any similar training updates? I would think that an OC education would be good for them as well. It would help to vet the "man with a gun" calls and avoid an unecessary dispatch of officers.

[LM4300]

Originally Posted by djturnz

Do 911 operators receive any similar training updates? I would think that an OC education would be good for them as well. It would help to vet the "man with a gun" calls and avoid an unecessary dispatch of officers.

I would have to ask our Comm guy, but I don't think our dispatchers have any PA state mandated update training.

Depending on the agency your calling and who dispatches them, I highly doubt you will get anything less than a 2 officer response to a man with a gun type call. The dispatcher does not truly know what is going on until they send a cop to check it out. The caller may be terrified and screaming about a man walking around with a gun (when it's just an OC citizen minding his own business) That call will never be considered "unecessary". The dispatcher can only go on what the caller tells them. Of course the dispatcher should ask the right questions, but it doesn't mean they'll get the right answers.

Check these folks out. They set standards that most dispatchers are expected to meet. http://www.apcointl.org/

[Dakota 35-1]

Just out of curiousity....When you guys say they mentioned this site at the training, what do you mean by that? Did they say like, "It's pitiful that a forum with a bunch of normal, law-abiding citizens knows our state's gun laws better than us"? Or, "Oh, if you run into anyone from that forum, watch out. They know their stuff, and they aren't afraid to let you know"?

Also, does anyone know if it's actually in writing anywhere that it's 100% perfectly legal to OC? I'd like to get my hands on that...in case I need to be one of THOSE people to inform the ignorant or mis-informed...

[headcase]

Originally Posted by Dakota 35-1

Just out of curiousity....When you guys say they mentioned this site at the training, what do you mean by that? Did they say like, "It's pitiful that a forum with a bunch of normal, law-abiding citizens knows our state's gun laws better than us"? Or, "Oh, if you run into anyone from that forum, watch out. They know their stuff, and they aren't afraid to let you know"?

Also, does anyone know if it's actually in writing anywhere that it's 100% perfectly legal to OC? I'd like to get my hands on that...in case I need to be one of THOSE people to inform the ignorant or mis-informed...

We gonna draw straws for this one, or is it first come first served

[headcase]

Just about anything you ever wanted to know about open carry

[shefearsnothing]

Just got a call back from a co-worker that had the MPOETC training. OC etc. was discussed. He said it was presented fairly. He added that PAFOA.org was mentioned and so was Ms. Hain "the soccer mom" and her OC saga. My co-worker is not a PAFOA member, but knows that I am because I've tried to educate the guys I work with.

Oh but I was supposed to ruin OC for everyone....isn't that what so many here told me I was doing?

[headcase]

Originally Posted by shefearsnothing

Oh but I was supposed to ruin OC for everyone....isn't that what so many here told me I was doing?

SUPERSTAR

[JCWohlschlag]

Originally Posted by Dakota 35-1

Also, does anyone know if it's actually in writing anywhere that it's 100% perfectly legal to OC? I'd like to get my hands on that...in case I need to be one of THOSE people to inform the ignorant or mis-informed...

Here are the citations you can use:

• Supreme Court of Pennsylvania case Ortiz v. Commonweath

  “53 Pa.C.S. section 13133. Philadelphia appellants assert that they are limited by the acts of the General Assembly only if those acts are applicable in the entire commonwealth, and the firearms statute is not. In particular, they argue that in Philadelphia County, the legislature requires that a person must be licensed to carry weapons openly and not concealed from sight, 18 Pa.C.S. section 6108, [footnote 1] whereas in all other counties of Pennsylvania, weapons may be carried openly without a license, 18 Pa.C.S. section 6106. [footnote 2]”

• Supreme Court of Pennsylvania case Commonwealth v. Hawkins

  From footnote #4:
  “In all parts of Pennsylvania, persons who are licensed may carry concealed firearms. 18 Pa.C.S. § 6108. Except in Philadelphia, firearms may be carried openly without a license. See Ortiz v. Commonwealth, ___ Pa. ___, ___, 681 A.2d 152, 155 (1996) (only in Philadelphia must a person obtain a license for carrying a firearm whether it is unconcealed or concealed; in other parts of the Commonwealth, unconcealed firearms do not require a license).”

[LM4300]

Originally Posted by Dakota 35-1

Just out of curiousity....When you guys say they mentioned this site at the training, what do you mean by that? Did they say like, "It's pitiful that a forum with a bunch of normal, law-abiding citizens knows our state's gun laws better than us"? Or, "Oh, if you run into anyone from that forum, watch out. They know their stuff, and they aren't afraid to let you know"?

I do not know the exact context that PAFOA was mentioned. The conversation with my co-worker was brief and over the phone. I plan on finding out though.

[Dakota 35-1]

Originally Posted by headcase

Just about anything you ever wanted to know...

Originally Posted by JCWohlschlag

Here are the citations you can use:

Thank you both...