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Can you make that an actual working link, or should I just wait for the Rotzweiller to come fix it for you like always...
Links works, been working... maybe server was down...
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Links works, been working... maybe server was down...
I think he means make it a clickable link, not one you have to copy and paste
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I think he means make it a clickable link, not one you have to copy and paste
Meh, don't be lazy
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That's what I say Or be tech-savvy like me and install the FireFox Add-On called "Fetch Text URL" ... It's very handy.
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Why would we need a clickable link when you can just cut and paste?
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I see copies were located for posting. Good job.
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I thought it would be of some help to know that open carry is receiving national attention and that Law Enforcement officers are recieving more training to further that knowledge.

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I received an e-mail last night from Lawofficer.com, which is an online police magazine. The subject was open carry. I will publish all the info pertaining to civilian open carry.

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You are tooling down Main Street and see the...gentleman...pumping gas into his chopped Harley at the Stop and Rob. Wearing a full beard and hair down to his shoulders, Dirty denim jeans, square-toe boots, a denim vest with some design across the back, and a holstered Glock 21 on his right hip. As you pull in and approach him, he nonchalantly continues to pump gas. As he finishes and puts the nozzle away, you tell him to keep his hands out, and that you are going to remove his pistol. He complies, even as a back-up arrives. Politely, he provides his identification, registration, and insurance card. As you prepare to hook him up, he looks at you, and says "I am allowed to carry openly. It's the law." Nonetheless, you hook him up and deliver him to lockup. A month later you are notified by the prosecutor that they have dropped all charges because his attorney pointed out eloquently that your state, to your and his bewilderment, permits open carry of firearms. Oh, and Billy the Biker will see you in federal court for his civil rights violation.

"No way," you say? In 44 states, open carry is permitted routinely to one extent or another. Some states are familiar names—Alaska, Arizona, Montana, New Mexico, states with deep roots in the cowboy or outdoors industries, where folks often need to carry as part of their work. Others are less expected, such as Virginia, where the wording was recently realized to be still present, even after their upgrades in their concealed carry law. Indeed, the map of open carry states is surprising, when one realizes that pistol permit bearers in such states as Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maryland, and New Jersey may carry openly, and that even California law permits open carry in rural areas.

So what does this mean to the officer on the street? First, remain aware of your state's laws. They change, or have nuances that are not always well known. Try to avoid being entangled in a legal dispute over what your state permits; it keeps your batting average up, helps you avoid civil court, and increases your prestige among your populace. Probably the best source of current information on open carry status in all fifty states is the web site Opencarry.org. This site maintains information on specifics of carry in each state, permitting one to be aware of all aspects for the state....(QUOTE SHORTENED)

I thought it was well stated.

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I was with it until "On the one hand, it really is rude to carry open in an urban setting" then they lost me. That and the author thought it was fine to approach me, disarm me, run the serial of the firearm and then return it after. If you read the MPOETC memo on Patriot's site, it clearly shows the PA officers are being told otherwise (thank goodness) and that nothing beyond a "mere encounter" is warranted, unless the actor is committing some other crime. Now I am not all that hip on what the police consider a "mere encounter" can someone in law enforcement enlighten me to what that term means to an officer?

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Now I am not all that hip on what the police consider a "mere encounter" can someone in law enforcement enlighten me to what that term means to an officer?
In a "mere encounter" an officer can approach you, ask you questions, but you, as a citizen, can refuse to answer and leave. The officer can not frisk/search you, they can not detain you or your property. It's like if any other person came up to you and started asking you questions.

An officer would need a higher level of suspicion to detain etc.
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