MTN Jack ARRESTED for OC near Obama rally site!

[Robert Kayland]

Originally Posted by chrisjames_71

I agree with everything you said, except for the secret service part. Which link was that in? Cause the tribune and msnbc didnt say that. tribune said it was deputies and msnbc didnt say. Just curious

Go to the OP and click on the link to the OC forum... the poster says he was arrested by the Secret Service, which may or may not have been true, but it leads one to believe the arrest happened "at the rally". It reads:

This message is to let friends of MTN Jack know he has been arrested by The Secrete Service. Jack was open carrying with his Bible.
One Secrete Service Officer told Jan, Jack's wife, being close to a politician with a gun on your side is illegal and trumps States rights .
If anyone out there can help Jack, he is in Beaver, PA

Also (ahem) note the title of this thread...

[Robert Kayland]

Originally Posted by gnbrotz

My point is that the characterization of the situation in the OP of this thread (thanks to an incorrect leap made by some posters on OCDO) and the news article are completely incorrect, and do not accurately convey what occurred. Before such false accounts spread and begin to dull interest in supporting Jack, the record needs to be set straight.

Any decision to support or not support should be made on the facts, not assumptions - and certainly not media reports.

I still don't see your point.

First, the thread title, a link given in the OP, and a newspaper article headline all pretty much said it occurred at the rally. This is what initially came to my (and other readers here) attention, so that's the starting point of interest.

Secondly, even assuming one has the time to dig past all of these sources and find out that Mtn Jack actually wasn't at the rally (was he coming from Bible study then, and had the misfortune to walk near an area at which a rally was occurring?), does that matter?

The support for the man's actions do not diminish in either case, as far as I'm concerned... and truth be told, support should be stronger yet if he actually were at the rally and making a statement, as this thread leads one to believe.

Geez, quit choking on gnats, will you? If you're that concerned with whether he was at the rally or not, complain to the OP and/or post your link to what truly happened. Mtn Jack himself stopped by and posted on this thread and didn't take pains to differentiate whether he was technically "at the rally" or just beyond it. Sheesh!

[cgbudde]

Originally Posted by Robert Kayland

In the future, I think it would be a good idea to show up OC'ing in numbers and organized... at least several dozens, if not hundreds... including our women and children in hand... guns, Bibles, and all... in order for a TRUE message to be sent. (The kids could carry the Bibles, of course!)

Even though I myself do not OC under 'normal' circumstances, I'd be more than willing to participate in such a demonstration... and I bet many other gun-owning Pennsylvanians would too.

I would be willing to participate. Remember strength in numbers. If we do not send Obama back home we can expect more of our constitution to be thrown away.

[SFMarine]

Wow...this was surprising to see this early in the morning. From the information I've obtained, it looks like MTNJack had his rights completely violated. MTNJack is just a great American. He stood outside of the "zone" with a bible and gun in holster...nothing wrong with that in the State of Pa. He did this because? The great Messiah bashed Pa residents stating that "we cling to our bibles and guns".

I want to say thank you for representing all of us at the rally. At least someone has the balls to stand up for what he believes. I hope the Secret Service got handed a gorilla flier in the illegal arrest/seizure. At least they'll be better prepared & educated for the next time they enter our great state of Pa.

People protest all the time.....what is so damn different about this situation? It was a legitimate protest...it was a smart protest....one that probably went directly to Obama....Pa residents will not be treated lower than everyone else because we "cling to our bibles and guns" How can you be charged with disorderly conduct when it just involves educating the general public with fliers. Ya...he had a gun...ya it was loaded...Yes, it was in a holster properly secured....It's perfectly legal here....I don't see them arresting people with anti-obama posters....I'm anxious to see how this unfolds in the coming weeks.
Bravo- MTNJack...you make us all proud.

[DaveM55]

If MTN Jack does get cited for an offense, they will most likely try something from this code.

USC Title 18, Section 1752

Sec. 1752. Temporary residences and offices of the President and
others


(a) It shall be unlawful for any person or group of persons -

(1) willfully and knowingly to enter or remain in

(i) any building or grounds designated by the Secretary of

the Treasury as temporary residences of the President or other

person protected by the Secret Service or as temporary offices

of the President and his staff or of any other person protected

by the Secret Service, or

(ii) any posted, cordoned off, or otherwise restricted area

of a building or grounds where the President or other person

protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily

visiting,
in violation of the regulations governing ingress or egress
thereto:

(2) with intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of
Government business or official functions, to engage in
disorderly or disruptive conduct in, or within such proximity to,
any building or grounds designated in paragraph (1) when, or so
that, such conduct, in fact, impedes or disrupts the orderly
conduct of Government business or official functions;

(3) willfully and knowingly to obstruct or impede ingress or
egress to or from any building, grounds, or area designated or
enumerated in paragraph (1); or

(4) willfully and knowingly to engage in any act of physical
violence against any person or property in any building, grounds,
or area designated or enumerated in paragraph (1).
(b) Violation of this section, and attempts or conspiracies to
commit such violations, shall be punishable by a fine under this
title or imprisonment not exceeding six months, or both.
(c) Violation of this section, and attempts or conspiracies to
commit such violations, shall be prosecuted by the United States
attorney in the Federal district court having jurisdiction of the
place where the offense occurred.
(d) The Secretary of the Treasury is authorized -

(1) to designate by regulations the buildings and grounds which
constitute the temporary residences of the President or other
person protected by the Secret Service and the temporary offices
of the President and his staff or of any other person protected
by the Secret Service, and

(2) to prescribe regulations governing ingress or egress to
such buildings and grounds and to posted, cordoned off, or
otherwise restricted areas where the President or other person
protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily
visiting.
(e) None of the laws of the United States or of the several
States and the District of Columbia shall be superseded by this
section.
(f) As used in this section, the term "other person protected by
the Secret Service" means any person whom the United States Secret
Service is authorized to protect under section 3056 of this title
when such person has not declined such protection.

[Pector55]

Originally Posted by RocketFoot

This is just a small taste of what will come if the Obama regime moves into Pennsylvania Ave.

The reactions are going to be brutal against us gun owners from this incident...we need to make sure the public is informed that this man was arrested in violation against the US Constitution!!

Good luck and great job, MTN Jack! I honor you for your courage in the face of tyranny!

You are 100% correct and my suggestion is that collectively, we find as many of these news articles as possible. Many have the opportunity to post comments, which is a great opportunity for us to educate the masses. That is key. Perhaps a very good wordsmith could draft a few variations of a standard message which properly cites the legality of the situation.

[chrisjames_71]

Originally Posted by Robert Kayland

Go to the OP and click on the link to the OC forum... the poster says he was arrested by the Secret Service, which may or may not have been true, but it leads one to believe the arrest happened "at the rally". It reads:

Ahhh, I thought you meant the news, gotcha.

Originally Posted by Robert Kayland

Also (ahem) note the title of this thread...

Ahem, note that I said I agreed with you on the rest of your post. Meaning I am with you on what you said

[bdevil73]

I don't know where MTN Jack was when he was arrested. I do know that the park the rally was held in was roped off, but the side walks were not. The same block across the street was also roped off, again with the exception of the sidewalks. The main street was closed off for maybe a block or two in each direction. All traffic was diverted to a side street.

[Robert Kayland]

Originally Posted by chrisjames_71

Ahhh, I thought you meant the news, gotcha.





Ahem, note that I said I agreed with you on the rest of your post. Meaning I am with you on what you said

That "ahem" wasn't meant for you.

[gnbrotz]

Originally Posted by Robert Kayland

First, the thread title, a link given in the OP, and a newspaper article headline all pretty much said it occurred at the rally.

I've modified the thread title. Other than the quoted news article, the thread over on OCDO makes no mention of him being "at the rally".

Originally Posted by Robert Kayland

Secondly, even assuming one has the time to dig past all of these sources and find out that Mtn Jack actually wasn't at the rally (was he coming from Bible study then, and had the misfortune to walk near an area at which a rally was occurring?), does that matter?

Sure. Entering or attempting to enter a SS security perimeter while armed is a far different matter than being legally armed in the same state/county/town/block as a presidential candidate.

Originally Posted by Robert Kayland

If you're that concerned with whether he was at the rally or not, complain to the OP and/or post your link to what truly happened.

I'm not concerned with Jack's actions (and I've noted the inaccuracy in the OP). I'm concerned at the leaps that are already being made without any facts to back them up. If this is happening amongst a community who would be presumed to be supporters, imagine how much it will be magnified by those looking for any available opportunity to further vilify gun owners.

It shouldn't be surprising if Jack makes no public comment on the actual events of last evening. There will also be some who have more specific info which they cannot post publicly, though they may be able to correct false assertions.

Words choice is important. Facts are important. We will likely get alot of traffic from this incident, so it's important that any clear inaccuracies be corrected as soon as possible, so they do not spread. We want to be a source of awareness and support, not a vehicle for rumor and innuendo.