Are contrary views of Open Carry Verbooten on PAFOA

[gnbrotz]

Originally Posted by Mr Z

Thats a general attitude , not a direct Quote.

Oh. The "quotation marks" confused me.

[bdevil73]

Originally Posted by Mr Z

There's been just as many disrespectful posts by OC'ers at the CC crowd, your comment of my track record not having much respect is just another Fine example of that attitude. One thread that I have read by OC folks that really earned my respect of a few in which you were one of was about where they wouldn't carry. http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed...not-do-so.html
Now if some of you would have put some of those comments in when we we're hashing over some issues instead of "Its Our Damn Right an Fuck You" maybe things wouldn't get carried so far. But some of the past threads where there were disagreements were just one sided affairs by OC guys. Us fellows with low post count haven't been on this site long enuff to know anything other than the material we've resently come accross, haven't had time to read the whole forum yet, an some of it looks bad from a new persons point of veiw, like it or not its the picture some have painted here an I guess some of us were just trying to show you the err of your ways before ya screw it up for everyone, not really knowing how some of ya truly feel. Sorry if I haven't earned any respect yet but I didn't come here looking for that at all, just to read an learn some an I'm getting more of an education about some gun owners than I'd ever imagined of them.

Although I don't think the two posts you quoted were directed specifically at you, this is a perfect example of the confrontational attitude that they both referred to. Maybe it's just me, but I didn't take PennsyPlinker's post as an attack on the new guys, rather merely pointing out that they don't have much of a history from which their intentions and POV can be derived.

[PennsyPlinker]

Originally Posted by Mr Z

There's been just as many disrespectful posts by OC'ers at the CC crowd, your comment of my track record not having much respect is just another Fine example of that attitude.

No, actually, this is a fine example of your not understanding my meaning, and rather than ask for clarification, YOU DECIDE TO JUMP ALL OVER ME FOR IT!!!!

What I meant was this, and this only. A person with a low post count has not built up a body of posts by which we can judge his character or intent. We don't know if you are just parroting stuff you have read or have real life experience. We don't know if you are trolling or have really thought the issues on which you are posting through. That comes with getting to know you over time. Right now I am getting the distinct impression that you would rather fight than discuss. You would rather jump on me for an ASSUMPTION on your part than ask me if that is what I really meant. I take pride in my ability to write, but I also recognize that I don't always get it right. Maybe I am wasting my time in this case. Is that right? See, I'm asking for clarification of your intent. But right about now I am thinking that I am wasting my time. Please enlighten me.

[PennsyPlinker]

Originally Posted by Mr Z

Now if some of you would have put some of those comments in when we we're hashing over some issues instead of "Its Our Damn Right an Fuck You" maybe things wouldn't get carried so far.

One more thing Mr. Z. I rarely use vulgarities in the written word. Personally I think it is a sign of a limited grasp of the English language. But if you are going to put words in my mouth, you had damn well better be sure I wrote them before you attribute them to me. I really don't care for being trashed for something I didn't say or write.

[headcase]

Originally Posted by TonyF

There is one big difference.

There isn't an undercurrent of XD advocates dominating the pistol forum.

Thanks for pointing this out Tony. Is this the latest underlying issue? If it is, my solution is ...........scroll down















































really, scroll... it is worth it....





























































ATTENTION CC'ERS!! POST MORE THREADS ABOUT STUFF THAT INTERESTS YOU!! WHEN YOU SEE A CC RELATED THREAD, POST IN IT TO KEEP IT ALIVE!!

If you follow this advice, you will see more threads involving CC related topics, and, as a direct result, your post counts will climb, you will get more opportunities to improve your board reputation, aaaannnddd if you post civilly to each other, maybe earn the respect of other board members...

This extremely difficult to perfect solution came to me in about 1 second. It will solve most of your stated problems with being bored, seeing OC threads dominate the sub-forum, and with the "OC Rangers" dominating the discussions. This is just to get you started in the right direction. If you continue down this path, you will find yourselves doing stuff like.. IDK... not even bothering to open OC related threads, or if you do, maybe you will make your comments in a constructive sort of way. You guys may even begin to understand that, like most things in life, you get back what you put in.

I hope this found gold, helps you become better posters, forum neighbors, and promotes good will amongst firearm carriers..................., ahhh but I doubt it will

[NineseveN]

Originally Posted by Mr Z

There's been just as many disrespectful posts by OC'ers at the CC crowd--

Absolutely, unequivocally, false.

Us fellows with low post count haven't been on this site long enuff to know anything other than the material we've resently come accross, haven't had time to read the whole forum yet,

Then perhaps you shouldn't be forming too solid of an opinion or trying to make statements like the one that opened this post of yours. You're so very, very, very far off the mark that it's simply impossible to take you seriously beyond that point. If you're looking for repsect, asserting things as fact when they are truly not, especially when you readily admit after the fact that you simply don't have the knowledge base to make any such statement, is probably going to go a lot further in denying you this 'respect' that you seek than a low post count.

There are plenty of people with post counts under 100 that have taken the time to read the threads as best they can and learn something before coming in here and shooting from the hip on things they don't know anything about.

an some of it looks bad from a new persons point of view, like it or not its the picture some have painted here an I guess some of us were just trying to show you the err of your ways before ya screw it up for everyone, not really knowing how some of ya truly feel. Sorry if I haven't earned any respect yet but I didn't come here looking for that at all, just to read an learn some an I'm getting more of an education about some gun owners than I'd ever imagined of them.

So you're new here, and you're trying to show people the err of their ways already on something you don't seem to know a whole lot about? And you wonder why you might not be getting the respect you think you deserve? Are you serious?


If you actually had a valid point that you could express on something you actually have authoritative or informative knowledge of, again, I think you'd find people to be a lot more receptive to your views. It's not your low post count, it's the fact that you apparently don't know much about what you're talking about. You can't show someone the err of their ways when you don't have a solid grasp of the source material, that's just a nonsensical expectation. Sorry you've gotten off to a bad start, I think perhaps a little more observation and a diminished desire to confront topics and ideas that go much deeper than the cursory thoughts you've put into them would go a long way to making your time here a lot more rewarding and fulfilling for you.


P.S. None of the above means you should read instead of posting, just that if you're going to try and confront or correct someone on something, you better be damn sure you know your chops, because the people you're confronting on almost any given subject around here know theirs and they will tear your argument to shreds with the ease that a child squashes a bug...and you won't get anything for your troubles except largely ignored outside of that. That's not just this group or forum, that's any collection of like-minded individuals around a common goal or interest. That's the way the world works.

[Agent Smith]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If only half the effort that goes into bickering amongst ourselves could be put into defending our firearm rights, we would be accomplishing a great deal in regards to protecting and restoring our Second Amendment rights.

United we stand, divided we fall.

[TonyF]

Originally Posted by bdevil73

Maybe it's just me, but I didn't take PennsyPlinker's post as an attack on the new guys, rather merely pointing out that they don't have much of a history from which their intentions and POV can be derived.

I agree.

In allot of these cases at least part of the problem is that many of us are victims of our own predispositions.

[GunsRfun]

Originally Posted by P-11 shooter

It's just a damn shame we break ourselves down into catagories.

I've said this before but it bears repeating

There are hunters who think you shouldn't need EBR's, or even pistols.

There are CCers tho think it's stupid to OC

There are pstol shooters who like to shoot paper but hate hunting.

There are people who like to shoot clay pigeons but don't think you should be able to own a .50 cal.

There are gun owners who have a rifle in the closet but are in favor of "sensible" gun control.

There are all these groups of gun owners who are opposed to each other and while we argue amongst ourselves the anti gunners are all on the same page. They're all moving toward the same goal.

We're gong to argue amongst ourselves while they work as a cohesive unit and before we know what hit us our rights will be sold down the river.

+1 well said.

[DaveM55]

Originally Posted by gnbrotz

We can discuss "Why OC" as long as it is done civilly. As noted in the final post of the recently closed thread, there are MANY such discussions worthy of review by a newcomer, and available for ongoing discussion to continue. What we do not need, is ANOTHER such thread.

Then why not close the multitude of threads with the same story of "I OC'd today and nothing happened." There are many of those all with the same genre.