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July 17th, 2006
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Why not just do what was done in Virginia... Push the issue, the VCDL got toghether and went to restaurants at designated times and ate together while open carrying... Why not do something like that here?
It would probably be appropriate to contact a business owner and inquire first though... 
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August 2nd, 2006
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"They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!" (Last words of Gen. John Sedgwick, referring to Confederate sharpshooters 1000 yds. away, at the battle of Spotsylvania Court House, May 9, 1864)
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August 3rd, 2006
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If the idea here is that open carry is generally a no no even though it IS legal, then what have we REALLY got to lose by going out and exercising our rights...
My daddy taught me that rights are like muscles... If you don't exercise them, you lose them...
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August 3rd, 2006
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just money.
GAURANTEED: you WILL get a ticket/arrest for disorderly conduct. this happened to a lawyer buddy of mines client. He was a UNIFORMED security guard, with a valid 235. he was ARRESTED by police and charged with the high degree disorderly conduct, and had to spend a wad of cash to esentially prove that he did nothing wrong. so, he won nothing, and lost his bank account....just carry concealed, and don't say anything, thats the point of it anyway.
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Flectere si nequeo Superos, Acheronta movebo." —Virgil "Tact is for people not witty enough to use sarcasm" 
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August 3rd, 2006
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We have a constitutional provision protecting our gun ownership rights. We have a 'no preemption' law. We are a 'shall issue' state in a sea of 'no way' states. In most counties, it takes all of about 15 minutes to get a CCW. We are able to carry guns in our cars on the way to and from ranges and gunsmiths. We aren't required to declare our CCWs to LEOs during traffic stops. We have laws protecting ranges from noise complaints. We can buy pretty much any kind of ammo we want, and even do so over the internet. Over huge swaths of the state it is not only not illegal to discharge a firearm, but it is actually common, and acceptable. We have a great deal of freedom to hunt. That's what we have to lose, and it's a lot. Any or all of that could change if a majority of the electorate comes to feel that "gun nuts" are becoming a threat to public safety in PA and need to be reined in. I can't think of a good reason to jeopardize all of that just so a few folks can feel like gunslingers. With freedom comes responsibility. The U.S. constitution protects freedom of speech, but reasonable folks have always recognized that this doesn't extend to crying 'fire' in a crowded theater. Given the fact that this is no longer the wild frontier, open carry in crowded public places is not unlike crying 'fire', it seems to me.
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"They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!" (Last words of Gen. John Sedgwick, referring to Confederate sharpshooters 1000 yds. away, at the battle of Spotsylvania Court House, May 9, 1864)
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August 3rd, 2006
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Have you followed the politics here in PA at all for the last 5? The gun culture is a significant force in PA.
No bunch of blissninnies will be able to sour the legislature enough to lose all our rights, especially if there is nothing done that is wrong. Worst case scenario, open carry would become illegal. Best case scenario, like what happened in virginia the public awareness goes up and there is a good contact with gunowners and the "public" proving that carrying a gun doesn't immediately mean violence. Please research what happened in virginia it revolves around the VCDL. Don't go around saying that the sky will fall if a bunch of Law abiding citizens start open carrying, It won't.
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August 3rd, 2006
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August 3rd, 2006
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With freedom comes responsibility. The U.S. constitution protects freedom of speech, but reasonable folks have always recognized that this doesn't extend to crying 'fire' in a crowded theater. Given the fact that this is no longer the wild frontier, open carry in crowded public places is not unlike crying 'fire', it seems to me.
It is NOTHING like yelling fire. the mere act of carrying a HOLSTERED handgun in public is NOT a crime. If you were to draw that handgun, then that would be a crime if you were not justified, and THAT is akin to yelling fire. I cannot believe the amount of pro gun people who are just willing to let this right die. It is mind boggling... Our rights are constantly under attack from the other side anyway, an organized group "demonstrating" a little bit by open carrying will not make anyone who is on our side go to the other unless there is an incident where someone really does break the law. Have you ever played poker? By risking nothing you gain nothing, and are slowly blinded and ante'd into losing. The same goes for gun rights. Last edited by The Drew; August 3rd, 2006 at 08:06 AM.
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August 3rd, 2006
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My words were that by open carrying we would not lose our rights... If you think things are THAT fragile in this state, you really should consider moving... Everyone using the boogeyman of "you might be arrested" or "we might lose our rights" is using the same logic the anti's use when arguing that we "might go on a shooting spree" Neither arguments hold water...
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August 3rd, 2006
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