Pa. Patriot ARRESTED at the OC dinner @ The Old Country Buffet in Dickson City 5/9

[ChamberedRound]

Originally Posted by GunLawyer001

In my experience, whenever one side of the argument has to lie about the facts, or be evasive, it's sure sign of awareness that the facts are not favorable to them.

Like when you ask your teenager where he was last night, and the answer is "Out doing stuff."

Or when the Brady Campaign people have to inflate the number of "children" shot by including 23-year old gang members.

Or when either of the Clintons says that they "don't recall" whether they banged an intern or accepted money or had a witness killed.


So, what was the charge that Rich was arrested for? Here's the story from the cops, as reported in one of the news accounts:

"At least one of those customers, Rich Banks, of Luzerne County, was detained for refusing to cooperate with police in regard to his concealed .38-caliber handgun, Police Chief William Stadnitski said. Mr. Banks’ weapon remains confiscated, but the chief said he can pick it up at any time."

Notice the passive-voiced "weapon remains confiscated", instead of "police seized it but now that there's trouble they are willing to give it back". Notice "detained" instead of "arrested and cuffed and shoved in a police vehicle". Notice the words "refusing to cooperate with police" instead of "failing to give up his legal rights upon demand".

The side that has to lie is the side with the losing argument.

Well said. All this "soft" language is just a way to try and dampen the egregiousness of the police's actions that night to those who weren't present.

[Cougar8045]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Pa Patriot

Topcop is a well informed sweetheart isn't he?

Hope you did not mistaken him as Topdog.

[Frenchy]

While reading one of the news paper reports, this struck me as odd..

“Our officers did not know what to expect. They could be walking into situations similar to shootings at school campuses and other public events,” said council President Barbara Mecca.

This is what I wrote back to the reporter.

Just to clarify this statement
“Our officers did not know what to expect. They could be walking into situations similar to shootings at school campuses and other public events,” said council President Barbara Mecca.”
Hind sight is always 20/20 the reason these place like the city council President Barbara Mecca mentions happen is that these are areas where the people can NOT defend themselves.
The mass murderer who walks onto a school campus KNOWS there will be no resistance. The assailant who walks into a mall and shoots mothers and children KNOWS there will be very little resistance.
Of course we want the world to be perfect. Look at Washington DC, New York, Los Angles, Chicago where guns are prohibited from carry by the citizens, these are perfect examples of what your average thug wants. No resistance by the citizens, Even the kids in Philadelphia know there will be very little resistance to them because of the laws and because the police actually make it hard for the hones citizen to protect himself.
It is all in the mindset that the media gives people. Look at Alaska and Vermont where there is virtually no crime. No person in their right mind would pull out a gun and start shooting in those states because the people mainly all have guns, and the police not responding in a flash of a second does not matter, there are already hundreds of potential citizens there to protect themselves.
Absolutely no permit is needed in Vermont to buy and carry a gun for self defense. A clean record is all you need. Yet, the crime rate is virtually non existent compared to other states. (Actually, one article I read stated 80% of the crime in Vermont happened to tourists because they lacked the ability to defend themselves at popular ski resorts)
Alaska yet one more low crime state where no permit is required, goes a step further, there is also no age limitations in Alaska. A protection gun there is almost a requirement to keep safe from the wildlife in some areas. Yet these children who are allowed to carry there do not go to schools and shoot each others off, they do not go on mad rampages and kill every one they see on the streets.
I remember the day when most schools had a shooting range, competitions and marksmanship was common. Oddly enough, back then, there where no school shootings and no mass murderers attaching schools. Today, not only do schools not allow guns on the property where there used to be shooting ranges in the basement, but they even ask that the students no practice at local ranges with the boy scouts or JR ROTC programs.
The mere mention of a child belonging to one of these groups and using a firearm is enough to have the school expulse them!
One case last summer where a young girl hopeful of the Olympic trap and Skeet team was expelled from her school for having a case of shells in her car, no gun mind you, but just the ammunition that would go in the gun.
It is in the mindset of the people that guns are evil, that guns kill… Guns do no such things, people do. As long as the media and mostly our government pushes their agenda and tries to get guns away from honest citizens, there will be incidents where many people get shot and are scared to walk freely on the streets of America. The criminals out there depend on the society to not be armed; they thrive for a gun free zone. They how ever do not follow any laws other then their own, so we can not expect them to be disarmed any time soon.
An honest citizen carrying a gun on his every day business should not be any more worrisome then if he/she wore dark glasses. The citizens who are so worried about seeing guns do not realize just how many people actually have guns on them or with them, but simply choose to conceal them. Even the armed Americans of this fine State might be surprised just how many guns and License to carry firearms there are in the purses of ladies they talk to every day.


R***** B******
Ambridge PA. 15003
AKA Frenchy
www.pafoa.org

[crlovel]

It blows my mind, not at just how uneducated these officials and the police are, and how much they blatantly RESIST the necessity it is to follow law and the Constitution. It's as if they never took any sort of oath of office. All they care about is what their "perception" of the law is, and they flat-out dismiss the reality of it.

[Pyrotek85]

Originally Posted by crlovel

It blows my mind, not at just how uneducated these officials and the police are, and how much they blatantly RESIST the necessity it is to follow law and the Constitution. It's as if they never took any sort of oath of office. All they care about is what their "perception" of the law is, and they flat-out dismiss the reality of it.

That's because they know their game is up, and they're doing everything they can to try and sweep it under the rug. As other posters have said before, the police obviously knew laws weren't being broken, or there would have been arrests and charges filed. They just wanted to rattle people and intimidate them.

[ChamberedRound]

Originally Posted by Pyrotek85

That's because they know their game is up, and they're doing everything they can to try and sweep it under the rug. As other posters have said before, the police obviously knew laws weren't being broken, or there would have been arrests and charges filed. They just wanted to rattle people and intimidate them.

Yup, they are definitely acting like cornered rats. I can only hope that Pa. Pat has one doozy of a lawsuit being worked up against these crooks, and maybe some official oppression charges as well.

[Ithaca1937]

Originally Posted by BB62

Regarding the OCB having been posted - I guess they way they support American's rights (as they say they do) is by getting on board the "the presence (or sight) of a gun is an evil thing" bandwagon.

Their new sign is riduculous in its assertions. (post #94 in this thread)
http://www.pafoa.org/forum/general-2...m-page-10.html

Here is the sign content:

We support the freedoms granted every U.S. citizen under the United States Constitution, including the freedoms described in the second amendment. As a company, we work constantly to maintain the reputation that we have earned over the years – for fabulous food, great variety, and value. Our guest represent a cross-section of this great country, with families being some of our most loyal fans. To assure that those with small children are as comfortable as possible we prohibit firearms from our restaurants.

If you have questions about our policy, please contact our corporate office at:
(651)-994-8608

Media contact number is:
(212)521-4800.

Red bolding mine. Is it specifically open carry or is it all firearms to be banned form their restaurants? If it is all firearms, do the people that only conceal carry realize Old Country Buffet doesn't want them either?

[ChamberedRound]

Originally Posted by Ithaca1937

Red bolding mine. Is it specifically open carry or is it all firearms to be banned form their restaurants? If it is all firearms, do the people that only conceal carry realize Old Country Buffet doesn't want them either?

That statement is a blatant cop-out [sic], especially given that many of our members present were there with their children. And to answer your question Ithaca, IMHO the way the highlighted phrase is worded they're stating no firearms at all. How is that in support of the 2nd Amendment?!?

[Emptymag]

Originally Posted by Ithaca1937

Red bolding mine. Is it specifically open carry or is it all firearms to be banned form their restaurants? If it is all firearms, do the people that only conceal carry realize Old Country Buffet doesn't want them either?

From another thread:
http://www.pafoa.org/forum/general-2...corporate.html

Originally Posted by RugerNiner

I called the Old Country Buffet corporate office today at 651-994-8608 and asked what their official stance was on the Second Amendment and their Restaurants.

I was transfered to a person who told me that they support the 2nd Amendment but prohibit carrying guns, both open carry and concealed carry, in their restaurants.

I said thank you and that I would inform the members of their stance without ever telling them who I was or if I was calling on the behalf of any organization.

I need a copy of the letter that is on the door of the OCB in Dickeson PA. so I can post it on the many websites I belong to. This is where the power of the internet can be felt. A boycott, letters and e-mails to OCB can make difference.

note: by spelling out Old Country Buffet at least once in your posts will bring it up on the internet search engines.
Please go back and spell out Old Country Buffet at least once in a thread.

There you have it.

[BullfrogKen]

To assure that those with small children are as comfortable as possible we prohibit firearms from our restaurants.

Perhaps knowing their mothers and fathers are welcomed there with their firearms to protect their families from evil men comforts children more? What a paternalistic statement.

Paternalism: a style of government or management, or an approach to personal relationships, in which the desire to help, advise, and protect may neglect individual choice and personal responsibility

Are Peace Officers as unwelcome there with their firearms now?


Yes, it appears Old Country Buffet supports that right for everyone, everywhere, except on their property. Its their choice; and I support their right to decide it. But I also feel its repugnant to state you support something you don't want practiced on your property. You can't strattle that particular fence, gentlemen. Either you support it or you don't. I'd respect you more if you didn't try to have you cake and eat it, too.

I hear Charlie Brown's served some nice cake.