My friend thinks OC will get us killed!!!!

[rayval123]

Originally Posted by Mitch10mm

That argument always reminds me of the bad guys from the old Death Wish movies with Charlie Bronson. I don't think the vast majority of criminals are that bold and brazen. They have a50/50 chance of being shot themselves. Why not just pick an easy target? I worry more about cops.

Thats exactly what I was thinking!!!!!!! I don't think there going to risk getting shoot!!!

[Shadowline]

What OC does do is remove the element of surprise from the carrier, thereby somewhat swinging the advantage back to the BG. If I am in a store and carrying concealed, I get to decide if and when my weapon comes out. Maybe I wait for an opportunity to grab cover first, or clear my line of fire. If a BG sees I have a firearm on my hip and decides to move forward with the crime, guess who is his first priority...me. His eyes never leave me for more than a split second, and you can be sure his weapon will be sweeping me often to ensure I don't draw. Worst case (outside of immediately being shot) I get disarmed at gunpoint and he now has a well maintained quality firearm in his possession instead of that shitty .22 that may or may not work due to lack of maintenance and care. I'm also willing to bet my Gold Dots are a bit higher quality than his $9 walmart target ammo...

I take all that into consideration and then weigh the likelihood of the mere presence of a weapon on my hip to prevent a crime against it. In the end, I have decided that OC is my preferred method of carry, except in certain situations where I feel a low profile will better suit my objectives. (typically when I have my kids with me). When my kids are with me my objective is 100% to protect them before anyone else in the world, and therefore feel I could utilize the lack of scrutiny (and time to plan) from a BG to get my kids out of immediate danger.

[streaker69]

I bet I can dig up a couple dozen videos where people that weren't openly carrying a firearm were shot even though they were complying with the robbers. I doubt I'll be able to find a single one where an OC'er was targeted first during a robbery.

I know of one video where a robber walked past a uniformed LEO and attempted to rob a store with a knife. Robber's ain't too bright most of the time. Of course, have some situational awareness is a good way to prevent such a situation from happening to you.

[Mitch10mm]

That's a very post Shadow and I agree.

[Triggerh4ppy]

Originally Posted by rayval123

So, I told my buddy I've been OCing off and on lately, and he said he thinks we will have problems with it, so I asked him what he ment, do you mean with ppl in public, he said NO, that if a robber see's one of us OCing that he will shoot us first with out question, period, kind of cought me off guard,I told him I think they would just leave and find another place to rob.I realize, yes that could happen, but I think that most robbers only want the money I dont think they ever intend on killing someone, now a cold hearted killer might be a different story, but I dont by it, I think by us OCing would change the robbers mind and we may have saved everyone without even doing anything by just having it on our side and he would just leave, just my opinion though, whats yours????

definitely more likely to get shot....by the PO-LICE. while open carrying. anyone else wouldnt be brazen enough to bother you.

[ShaulWolf]

Damnit, longcall911 nailed it and I need to spread more rep before I can give him more.

Let me ask you this. If you were desperate enough to rob a person or place, would you risk being shot in return? If yes, how much planning are you doing? If it's serious planning with practice, how much would us carrying matter to you then?

Chances are, us carrying would still matter, and you'd pick an easier target.

[PennsyPlinker]

I just read this quote in another article, and am posting it in this thread just for informational purposes. The full article can be seen here:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybel...control-lobby/

Whereas gun control proponents often argue that having a gun put people at risk because a criminal will take it away and use it against them, it seems the reality is more often to be the reverse situation. The Cato data contains only 11 stories out of 4,699 where a criminal took a gun away from a defender, but 277 where the intended victim disarmed the bad guy, although the authors acknowledge that these event reports may be printed more frequently due to newsworthiness.

I would like to note that this post and the quoted article directly address the comments made by the OP. If this thread turns into an OC/CC debate... Let's just say it had better not. There are plenty of other threads on this board for that.

[camper]

If you OC in Philadelphia you DEFINITELY stand a higher chance of being killed; by the police.

camper

[ShaulWolf]

I OCed into PNC and they gave me money.



After I gave them my debit card and entered my pin.

Back on topic, if you get targeted specifically for carrying, then chances are enough planning and preparation was made that you're screwed one way or the other. The chances of that are very slim, and you'll likely be avoided by anyone planning harm.

[Menandros]

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...bbery-kennesaw

Matt Brannan and J.P. Mitchell were dining in the Wafflehouse on Barrett Parkway at I-575 in Kennesaw at 4:45 in the morning recently when a scout for an armed robbery crew entered the restaurant to case it. At the time, Matt and J.P. thought he looked a little suspicious, as he was wandering around the small restaurant like he was looking for someone. Unknown to Matt and J.P., two cars full of armed robbers were parked behind the restaurant waiting for the scout's report.

The scout saw that two of the customers were wearing holstered 1911 Springfield Mil-Spec .45 pistols, and he immediately turned and left the store.

The criminals informed the police that they had changed their mind upon discovering armed customers and were waiting for Matt and J.P. to leave. Ironically, the police car was pulling in to the parking lot just as Matt and J.P. were driving away. In other words, had Matt and J.P. not been armed, the robbery probably would have occurred before the police intervened.

But I find myself unable to find an article which boasts a first-to-be-shot scenario.