NFA-Hughes Amendment Repeal Possible?

[nfafan]

Originally Posted by MrBi11

Sidenote: You've never been to Starbucks have you?

Too rich for me. Getgo. Food perks and gas points. But yeah the old "that and a qtr/50cents/dollar/two bucks" just doesn't work much anymore.

If this law wasn't as odorous as it is, it would almost be funny. Imagine...

a law that was based on the easy access of hi-def quality-printed porn on high-gloss paper - so; no new hi-speed/hi-graphics printing presses (or capabilities for same) are allowed after a certain date so as to fight porn.

You get get jailed if you use photo-paper at home on a top-tier color printer.

It's like that.

[LifeInPa]

Originally Posted by nfafan

That and another 149 cents will get you coffee. Sorry, had to add that to your penny... Not to be a smartass, but the ONLY way to get rid of this illegal law is thru a major lawsuit. Votes alone will never cut it - too much back-room shenanigans happens. That plus the number of non-NFA states.

We - gunowners - need to ban together and fund a suit against the govt challanging the entire legality.

It worked for the aetheists to remove creches and commandmant plaques from gov't bldgs, worked for non-smokers to ban smokers to the hinterlands, worked to allow folks to flip the bird at cops, worked to allow Nazis and Klansmen to have public parades, worked to create favored classes for job programs, worked to craft laws that practically put first-time DUI offenders in chains, worked to handcuff the GIs at gitmo, worked to give prison inmates rights and privileges that even poverty-level retirees can't enjoy -

why can't a lawsuit work for honest gunowners?

Only problem is that "funds" that have been raised thru NRA memberships - and like-minded organizations - have been/will always be siphoned off to payroll the fat-cat mgmt class of these organizations.

You can get a 16oz coffee at Turkey Hill for 99 cents. You're not much of a thrifty shopper, are you?

[Azzy]

Originally Posted by tsafa

The key to making this happen is by continually reaching out to non-shooters we know and bringing them to the shooting range to try out some .22's. We need to get Democrats and more women to the shooting range.

Need more than that. Every time I get into talking with people who are not gun owners, or are just minimal owners (for hunting), they always seem to get into that area of "except things like machineguns" bit of the conversation.

Most people, and the idea that people have a right to own those things, even if you give them facts, have been so brainwashed by hollywood and progressives that I dont think we could ever get full scale public support.

[WV Shooter]

Originally Posted by nfafan

That and another 149 cents will get you coffee. Sorry, had to add that to your penny... Not to be a smartass, but the ONLY way to get rid of this illegal law is thru a major lawsuit. Votes alone will never cut it - too much back-room shenanigans happens. That plus the number of non-NFA states.

We - gunowners - need to ban together and fund a suit against the govt challanging the entire legality.

It worked for the aetheists to remove creches and commandmant plaques from gov't bldgs, worked for non-smokers to ban smokers to the hinterlands, worked to allow folks to flip the bird at cops, worked to allow Nazis and Klansmen to have public parades, worked to create favored classes for job programs, worked to craft laws that practically put first-time DUI offenders in chains, worked to handcuff the GIs at gitmo, worked to give prison inmates rights and privileges that even poverty-level retirees can't enjoy -

why can't a lawsuit work for honest gunowners?

Only problem is that "funds" that have been raised thru NRA memberships - and like-minded organizations - have been/will always be siphoned off to payroll the fat-cat mgmt class of these organizations.

Ha! yeah, I can't afford to drink coffee, stuck with tap water or an occasional clean puddle down here in WV! I wouldn't be opposed to a law suit at all. I'm not as educated on all this as I should be, but I always understood that to be how we got here to begin with (a failed law suit that established common law). Whatever it takes though, I'd love to see it happen. And I agree our funds are siphoning out as quick as they are going in. Either way, there is little objective basis for a particular date except to limit our rights by default. From the a criminal's perspective (the fictional character that liberals think they are preventing from rampaging our streets), if he's looking to use a properly certified and transferred NFA firearm, he's not going to care if he uses a pre-1986 M16 or a nice new 2010 Colt M4.

[nfafan]

Originally Posted by Azzy

Need more than that. Every time I get into talking with people who are not gun owners, or are just minimal owners (for hunting), they always seem to get into that area of "except things like machineguns" bit of the conversation.

Most people, and the idea that people have a right to own those things, even if you give them facts, have been so brainwashed by hollywood and progressives that I dont think we could ever get full scale public support.

You hit the nail on the head. I know a ton of folks that freak out/would freak out if they knew about NFA. I know some fellow gunnuts that are convinced that only cops and GIs should have NFA.

Personally, I'm convinced that we should lay low on the whole thing and fight it quietly in courts until we win. Nice quiet fight vs. public fanfare.
Shiit, no one pays attention to anything these days except Dancing with the Stars, Survival, Bachelorette, Real Facelifts Of Beverly Hills, and public fanfare like Tebow's kneel or Princess Kate.

No wonder Pennsyltucky and the USA .gov is as effed up as it is. A court fight would be nice and quiet.

[BandanaBandit1]

Originally Posted by nfafan

You hit the nail on the head. I know a ton of folks that freak out/would freak out if they knew about NFA. I know some fellow gunnuts that are convinced that only cops and GIs should have NFA.

Personally, I'm convinced that we should lay low on the whole thing and fight it quietly in courts until we win. Nice quiet fight vs. public fanfare.
Shiit, no one pays attention to anything these days except Dancing with the Stars, Survival, Bachelorette, Real Facelifts Of Beverly Hills, and public fanfare like Tebow's kneel or Princess Kate.

No wonder Pennsyltucky and the USA .gov is as effed up as it is. A court fight would be nice and quiet.

This is something that is indeed better off being quietly fought in the courts. Im sure most people that dnt understand firearms in general would not be thrilled to know that their neighbors can now own the toys that the Police and military get to play with.


Fight it quiet and avoid a riot.

[utimmer43]

Your heart is in the right place, but I think an online petition that needs to gain 25,000 signatures should be a little better written if it is going to be taken seriously.

Originally Posted by gun lover 18403

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Dear friends,

I wanted to let you know about a new petition I created on We the People,
a new feature on WhiteHouse.gov, and ask for your support. Will you add your
name to mine? If this petition gets 25,000 signatures by May 26, 2012, the
White House will review it and respond!

We the People allows anyone to create and sign petitions asking the Obama
Administration to take action on a range of issues. If a petition gets
enough support, the Obama Administration will issue an official response.

You can view and sign the petition here:

http://wh.gov/Eru

Here's some more information about this petition:

allow new machine guns to be manufactured and sold to
civilians
Machine guns have been banned to manufacture since 1986 .This petition
will make it legal to sell new machine guns to civilians . citizens can
already buy a machine gun but it has to be made before 1986 ,and they very
expensive ,often $18,000. the law that made machine gun illegal to
manufacture was unconstitutional because the second amendment says you have
the right to same weapons the military has .

[exceltoexcel]

Anyone make any progress on getting this repealed yet.

Any Updates?

LOL

[Franky4Fingers]

You need to use your head a bit more on this. Personally...I think the machine guns should be the last to be lifted for several reasons.

1. Current machine gun owners will be pissed that they dropped 20K on a gun and now its only gonna cost the price for some full auto parts from bushmaster, which is like, what? $7 for a full auto sear? plus a few other odds and ends?

2. People have a stigma against machine guns, and may the gun god forgive me for saying this, but someone toting a car full of thugs with M249's is more dangerous than a bunch of semi auto AR 15's. I'm not saying I agree with the gun ban, I'm just saying thats how most people are going to see it.

3. You say the machine gun ban is 'retarded' ... I think you should be focusing on what truly is 'retarded' and that is SBR's, SBS's , and silencers. There is NO reason those should be regulated. You should work on repealing those first. Not machine guns.

Sorry guy, but your not getting my support as solder in this fight until you or someone else demonstrates better leadership in your battle plan. Now, if you find a way to repeal the MG's at the same time as the rest, then I'll back you, dont get me wrong. But I just see that as having your cake and eating it too. Take the same approach as our enemy (the antis) and take things one inch at a time. Get SUPP's, SBR's, and SBS's repealed first.

Start a new petition and I'll sign it. I mean, ....compromise. At least say something like have the NFA repealed or something. Say how the laws are outdated with current weapon, etc.


Also, where does the constitution say we have the same right to military weaponry?

[Kramer]

Originally Posted by Franky4Fingers

1. Current machine gun owners will be pissed that they dropped 20K on a gun and now its only gonna cost the price for some full auto parts from bushmaster, which is like, what? $7 for a full auto sear? plus a few other odds and ends?

As a current owner of three MGs that I bought between 2005 and 2008, I would be happy to see the MG ban go away so I could make a bunch of new MGs a lot cheaper, which would offset what I spent for the first three ($27K).