Question on NFA kit

[dc dalton]

I have been looking at some full auto kits on the internet (m92), of course I understand the don't have the receiver but my question is this, Does the ATF paperwork and $200 tax happen when you buy the receiver?

Thanks, sorry for the newbie question, I've owned a lot of weapons but never a full auto and I've always wanted one!

[Kaos]

Originally Posted by dc dalton

I have been looking at some full auto kits on the internet (m92), of course I understand the don't have the receiver but my question is this, Does the ATF paperwork and $200 tax happen when you buy the receiver?

Thanks, sorry for the newbie question, I've owned a lot of weapons but never a full auto and I've always wanted one!

The receiver(i guess sear in come cases) is the registered part, so yes, the receiver is where the magic happens.

[dc dalton]

Originally Posted by Kaos

The receiver(i guess sear in come cases) is the registered part, so yes, the receiver is where the magic happens.

That's what I thought, just wanted to make sure. Sounds like something I'd enjoy doing (building it that is) and I can tinker with that while I wait for ATF.

thanks again

[XD45]

you do know you can't put those together on an everyday reciever correct?

[dc dalton]

Originally Posted by XD45

you do know you can't put those together on an everyday reciever correct?

uh yup ...

Since I have people's attention ... any good resources for M92 full auto receivers?

[JayBell]

there are none available for civilians.

civilians have not been able to create a NEW MG since May of 1986.

at best, you can purchase a pre May 1986 transferrable weapon, like an AK 47 (current value, $17K+) and have the parts kit installed on it.

at this point, only a licensed 02/07 SOT can make a MG, and even then, its only for LE/Mil/Govt use and transfer.

sorry, at best you can make a legal semi, or SBR.

[dc dalton]

Originally Posted by JayBell

there are none available for civilians.

civilians have not been able to create a NEW MG since May of 1986.

at best, you can purchase a pre May 1986 transferrable weapon, like an AK 47 (current value, $17K+) and have the parts kit installed on it.

at this point, only a licensed 02/07 SOT can make a MG, and even then, its only for LE/Mil/Govt use and transfer.

sorry, at best you can make a legal semi, or SBR.

Now THAT I didn't know ... ahh well the hunt goes on

[Mtdew]

Originally Posted by dc dalton

Now THAT I didn't know ... ahh well the hunt goes on

If you look long enough you should find one for $16,000ish

welcome to the world of NFA.... Nothing is cheap here.

[WhiteFeather]

You as an individual can NOT go and buy a full auto kit and construct a new receiver into an operable machine gun, it’s a big time crime to do it or if they can prove constructive intent to build one its also a crime.

If you want to build a new MG there is an option but it’s no cheap.

There are a “few” rare MG that are still out there since 1986 that have not been built into a functional most of these are so called “tube” guns. There are also several other such as registered dewats, DIAS and other interesting stories of different types.

When the ban was announced (about 30 days prior to effective date in 1986)some people or SOT’s worked around the clock to make as many receiver parts that they were able register. These registered receiver were never completed manufactured into a functional MG most of these where tube guns such as a sten. Had it not been for these forward looking people back in 1986 there would be a lot less transferable MG than there are today and prices would be even higher today than they now are.

The main reason that these MG still exist today as a registered receiver, is because the asking price has always been just right behind a completed MG and you still had to do all the work plus added cost of a full auto parts kit.

I looked at buying a registered sten tube a couple of years ago to go SOT for direct conversion into a sterling, ended up just buying a completed sten almost the same cost as the tube, never did the conversion. I am still kicking myself for not getting into a MG many years sooner the prices doubled while I just thought about doing a deal on a MG.

There are also still “new” in the box transferable MG out there, mostly they are M11 9 mm sometimes you can find a “new” in the box UZI out there, but any NIB MG usually command a premium price and where all built in 1986 or older.

The other option for a brand new MG is 1986 registered Stemple 75/45 conversion to a brand new transferable MK 760 read about it here. http://www.jmbdistribution.com/class3_guns_forsale.htm

But as far any other “new” machine guns you may want your out of luck, take a loan sell something you don’t need to buy one now, MG are not going to get cheaper any time soon, unless someone really wants to sell one due to financial hardship. There are no deals or cheap MG to be had, lots of MG dealers been doing this for many years looking for motivated sellers. Today high prices are tommrows bargains when it comes to MG.

Unless there is a real breath of freedom in this county or unless large numbers gun owners start personally getting involved in politics they will NOT be opening up the NFA books any century soon. Probably never, unfortunately.

You can say it’s not fair, you can say it not legal, the prices of transferable MG are to high, how they are violating the prime directive of the NFA to generate taxes etc. its a political problem, nothing else.

The bottom line is cheap MG parts kits need a amnesty so they won't be illegal machine guns anymore. MG will do the job that other guns just won’t do, they just want to pay there taxes, become full assembled MG and help the economy of the US for better MG life for all.

AMENSTY FOR ILLEGAL MG.

[sluggie24]

[quote=JayBell;291708]at this point, only a licensed 02/07 SOT can make a MG, and even then, its only for LE/Mil/Govt use and transfer.QUOTE]

I thought SOT/manufacturers could also buy/make them for themselves for research/testing purposes also. An example would be buying/building one for the company to test parts they make on such as a suppressor company or such.