Pennsylvania Atty General updates carry permit page, touches on reciprocity issues.

[soberbyker]

Originally Posted by danp

.... This is why I love having this forum, put a bunch of knowledgeable people in one place and everyone benefits.

YEA what he said !!!!

[CCinPA]

Originally Posted by God's Country

This past Thursday my state senator had one of his field reps call me in response to my e-mail. He(the field rep)contacted their liaison at the PSP and said that they (the PSP) were not honoring non res permits and that this was actually nothing new, but in fact always had been the case, just that it has gotten public awareness. He also contacted the AG's office and eluded that this clarification was coming. I got the same wink when I spoke with the AG's office last week.


Perhaps some good news. Now it is time to get clarification from Commissioner Miller’s office.

Edit:
PSP commissoiner Millers phone and fax# 717-783-5558
717-787-2948 fax

apparently he doesn't want to be contacted via e-mail.

Also hangunlaws.us has changed Pa status again.

Just hold tight on contacting Commissioner Millers office. DanP is in possession of a letter my State Rep sent to the commissioner requesting this very information.
So I ask everyone to just wait a bit since my state rep is in process with this.

[CCinPA]

Originally Posted by bubba23

Folks, this is an honest serious question and in no way meant to be argumentative, but I am having a hard time understanding why this is an issue. Perhaps I do not understand.

Aren't we talking about legal PA residents getting an LTC through a state in which they do not live for the purpose of carrying in PA?

What legal or practical reason would a person have for wanting to do this other than dodging the law or exploiting a loophole?

Assuming that I do understand this issue correctly, I would very much prefer if all PA residents were required to have PA LTC. That way I know everyone carrying concealed was granted that license based on the same laws and within jurisdictions having access to their complete background and criminal record.

Again, feel free to correct me if I completely missed the point!

It has nothing to do with sidestepping the law. Matter of fact it is easier to get a permit in PA than other states. What you may be missing is many people get a Florida or Utah permit so that they can legally carry in about 30 to 37 states now if PA pulls back an ignores the agreement they have and will only honor permits from the state you reside in then there may be retaliation in the same direction from other states making it useless for anyone to get a FL or UT permit.

Also I will give you an example what had happened to me. Back in 2005 my PA permit ran out and the Sheriff in my county reduced the hours of issuance to 4 hours a week due to staff cuts. Now I had to stand in line on several occasions only to be there for a few hours for nothing because the cut off time came. I was left not much choice but to obtain a FL permit by mail so I could be legal.


Bottom line is why place more restrictions on people who are deemed lawful to carry and why allow the PSP to legislate rather than enforce.

[bubba23]

Originally Posted by CCinPA

It has nothing to do with sidestepping the law. Matter of fact it is easier to get a permit in PA than other states. What you may be missing is many people get a Florida or Utah permit so that they can legally carry in about 30 to 37 states now if PA pulls back an ignores the agreement they have and will only honor permits from the state you reside in then there may be retaliation in the same direction from other states making it useless for anyone to get a FL or UT permit.
Bottom line is why place more restrictions on people who are deemed lawful to carry and why allow the PSP to legislate rather than enforce.

Thank you very much. GOT IT!

[God's Country]

Originally Posted by CCinPA

Just hold tight on contacting Commissioner Millers office. DanP is in possession of a letter my State Rep sent to the commissioner requesting this very information.
So I ask everyone to just wait a bit since my state rep is in process with this.

What makes you and your rep my spokesmen? huh??

Just kidding . I can hang a little while.

[God's Country]

Originally Posted by CCinPA

It has nothing to do with sidestepping the law. Matter of fact it is easier to get a permit in PA than other states. What you may be missing is many people get a Florida or Utah permit so that they can legally carry in about 30 to 37 states now if PA pulls back an ignores the agreement they have and will only honor permits from the state you reside in then there may be retaliation in the same direction from other states making it useless for anyone to get a FL or UT permit.

You nailed it.

[CCinPA]

Originally Posted by God's Country

What makes you and your rep my spokesmen? huh??

Just kidding . I can hang a little while.

Sorry I am not trying that I just don't want to see his office to too bombarded since things are moving an a more positive direction.

[chesire17201]

Originally Posted by bubba23

Folks, this is an honest serious question and in no way meant to be argumentative, but I am having a hard time understanding why this is an issue. Perhaps I do not understand.

Aren't we talking about legal PA residents getting an LTC through a state in which they do not live for the purpose of carrying in PA?

What legal or practical reason would a person have for wanting to do this other than dodging the law or exploiting a loophole?

Assuming that I do understand this issue correctly, I would very much prefer if all PA residents were required to have PA LTC. That way I know everyone carrying concealed was granted that license based on the same laws and within jurisdictions having access to their complete background and criminal record.

Again, feel free to correct me if I completely missed the point!

i second what god's country wrote as well, and as a side note, I would rather people carry on a FL or VA permit, as in all reality Pa is TOO easy to get, at least if you have one of the others then you have to produce proof of some type of firearms training as well as go through a FBI background check(for fl) whereas in Pa all your check is, is the local sheriff calling PICS and seeing if you are a felon, so i can't possibly see where anyone is sidestepping any laws with another permit. It DOESN'T get any easier to get a permit than in PA.

[soberbyker]

Originally Posted by chesire17201

It DOESN'T get any easier to get a permit than in PA.

Well it does, no permit required at all in Vermont a true 2nd amendment understanding state. (for most of the state),

[danp]

Originally Posted by chesire17201

as in all reality Pa is TOO easy to get

I would highly disagree, there should be no permit needed at all. Seems to work out pretty well in Alaska/Vermont.

Pretty much anything that would disqualify one from carrying a firearm would disqualify one from owning a firearm as well, so it's really pointless and redundant.