Pennsylvania Atty General updates carry permit page, touches on reciprocity issues.

[dgg9]

Originally Posted by MarcS

Since PSP has no authority to interpret the law they can say whatever the hell they want, but if they arrest you for carrying on a non-resident permit when the AG has made the position clear, they're guilty of official oppression.

This makes my week. And yes, a clear, unamiguous declaration from the PA GA completely cuts the legs out from under any unilateral LE shenanigans. It was the ambiguity that allowed the PSP room to play games.

Btw, I posted this in GT as well...might as well spread the good word...

[danp]

Originally Posted by CCinPA

Yes and the other boot in Fast Eddies arse. Hell I just sent my certified letter out to Trooper Anderson of the Firearms Unit in Harrisburg yesterday requesting the PSP's position in writing. I just wish I can watch him write his reply on Monday.

If/when you get this back if you could scan it and provide me with a copy it would be greatly appreciated. I am calling Trooper Anderson on Monday and plan on asking for a position in writing as well but it can't hurt to get a copy of yours if you get it first.

[RoyJackson]

Originally Posted by danp

If/when you get this back if you could scan it and provide me with a copy it would be greatly appreciated. I am calling Trooper Anderson on Monday and plan on asking for a position in writing as well but it can't hurt to get a copy of yours if you get it first.

NO, do NOT ask for an opinion from a State Cop or anyone at the PSP. The AG has STATED the clarification that the PSP must abide by.

If you want to inform Trooper Anderson of the AG's clarification...then, do so.

But by no means ask the PSP for an interpretation of a law. They are not qualified to do so...

[CCinPA]

Originally Posted by danp

If/when you get this back if you could scan it and provide me with a copy it would be greatly appreciated. I am calling Trooper Anderson on Monday and plan on asking for a position in writing as well but it can't hurt to get a copy of yours if you get it first.

If and when he decides to answer my letter I will indeed scan you a copy of it. I has sent my letter to them only because I wanted them to put what they said in writing.
This was before the AG's announcement mind you. I did this so there was something concrete from the psp saying they were essentially breaking the law. Now that Tom Corbett has put his interpretation on the website It will be interesting to see if Trooper Anderson will respond and how he will respond.

By the way Trooper Quinn from the firearms unit of the PSP told me by phone on Friday that the PSP was not recognizing any permits unless you are a citizen of the issuing state so that is when I asked for this in writing and she said I can only get it in writing by sending a letter questing such with my signature on it to Trooper Anderson.

[CCinPA]

Originally Posted by RoyJackson

NO, do NOT ask for an opinion form a State Cop or anyone at the PSP. The AG has STATED the clarification that the PSP must abide by.

If you want to inform Trooper Anderson of the AG's clarification...then, do so.

But by no means ask the PSP for an interpretation of a law. They are not qualified to do so...

I had sent the PSP my letter before the AG's announcement. I wanted it as something solid showing that the psp is now interpreting the law instead of enforcing it.

[danp]

Originally Posted by RoyJackson

NO, do NOT ask for an opinion form a State Cop or anyone at the PSP. The AG has STATED the clarification that the PSP must abide by.

If you want to inform Trooper Anderson of the AG's clarification...then, do so.

But by no means ask the PSP for an interpretation of a law. They are not qualified to do so...

I am not asking the PSP for their interpretation for the law, I am asking for an explanation of what their thinking is.

I want to know:

1. What are they telling troopers
2. If they are refusing to recognize third-party non-resident permits, which ones are they refusing to recognize.

[RoyJackson]

Originally Posted by danp

I am not asking the PSP for their interpretation for the law, I am asking for an explanation of what their thinking is.

I want to know:

1. What are they telling troopers
2. If they are refusing to recognize third-party non-resident permits, which ones are they refusing to recognize.

A better question to ask is why they are disobeying the Attorney General's clarification.
Failure to adhere to the AG's clarification is violating the law which has adverse repercussions to a trooper's career and can lead to his or her termination from the force.
So, ask that trooper why he's commiting a crime...

[danp]

Originally Posted by RoyJackson

A better question to ask is why they are disobeying the Attorney General's clarification.
Failure to adhere to the AG's clarification is violating the law which has adverse repercussions to a trooper's career and can lead to his or her termination from the force.
So, ask that trooper why he's commiting a crime...

Roy, thanks for pointing this out.

This is why I love having this forum, put a bunch of knowledgeable people in one place and everyone benefits.

[God's Country]

This past Thursday my state senator had one of his field reps call me in response to my e-mail. He(the field rep)contacted their liaison at the PSP and said that they (the PSP) were not honoring non res permits and that this was actually nothing new, but in fact always had been the case, just that it has gotten public awareness. He also contacted the AG's office and eluded that this clarification was coming. I got the same wink when I spoke with the AG's office last week.


Perhaps some good news. Now it is time to get clarification from Commissioner Miller’s office.

Edit:
PSP commissoiner Millers phone and fax# 717-783-5558
717-787-2948 fax

apparently he doesn't want to be contacted via e-mail.

Also hangunlaws.us has changed Pa status again.

[bubba23]

Folks, this is an honest serious question and in no way meant to be argumentative, but I am having a hard time understanding why this is an issue. Perhaps I do not understand.

Aren't we talking about legal PA residents getting an LTC through a state in which they do not live for the purpose of carrying in PA?

What legal or practical reason would a person have for wanting to do this other than dodging the law or exploiting a loophole?

Assuming that I do understand this issue correctly, I would very much prefer if all PA residents were required to have PA LTC. That way I know everyone carrying concealed was granted that license based on the same laws and within jurisdictions having access to their complete background and criminal record.

Again, feel free to correct me if I completely missed the point!