Cops: Pizza deliveryman fatally shoots armed teen

[WhiteFeather]

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news.../27346749.html

Cops: Pizza deliveryman fatally shoots armed teen

A retired Philadelphia cop working as a pizza deliveryman fatally shot a 14-year-old boy who was pointing a gun at him during an attempted robbery yesterday morning in Frankford, police said.
Shortly afterward, in an unrelated shooting, a police officer's bullet fragment hit a 17-year-old robbery suspect in the face in Fairmount, police said.

In the first incident, the 14-year-old and two other suspects were trying to rob the ex-officer at gunpoint while he was delivering a pizza about 1:15 a.m. on Lesher Street near Bridge, police spokesman Lt. Frank Vanore said.

The boy pointed the gun at the former cop while his cohorts - also believed to be teenagers - attempted to go through the victim's pockets, Vanore said.

But the deliveryman - whose name was withheld by police - was able to reach into a pocket and pull out a semiautomatic Glock, which he had a permit to carry, Vanore said.

The deliveryman shot the gun-wielding boy once in the chest, and the boy was pronounced dead at 2:14 a.m. at Temple University Hospital, police said. His identity was not released pending notification of his family and the identification of his alleged accomplices.

The two other teens were still being sought by police, Vanore said.

The deliveryman, who is in his 50s, had been assigned to the Northeast and retired from the Police Department around 2000, Vanore said.

The decision of whether to press charges against the deliveryman rests with the District Attorney's Office, but Vanore said initial information doesn't suggest that the retired cop acted in a negligent manner.

The case is being handled by the homicide unit, police said.

Vanore said it's common for retired police officers to "invoke the privilege" to obtain a permit to carry a concealed weapon long after their careers on the street are over.

"Once you're an officer, you're always kind of there," he said.

In the other shooting yesterday, a 23rd District officer questioning robbery suspects in Fairmount about 3 a.m. discharged his gun into a sidewalk, sending one of the teen suspects to the hospital with a graze wound from a bullet fragment, Vanore said.

The incident began near Broad and Thompson streets, where three men robbed a 30-year-old woman at gunpoint, Vanore said. The victim provided descriptions of the suspects to police, and responding officers soon found three men fitting the bill at Poplar Street near 23rd.

"As they approached they noticed one of the males, a 17-year-old, had what appeared to be the butt of a gun sticking from his waistband area," Vanore said. "They ordered him not to move, to drop it, but as he reached for the firearm, one officer discharged."

That officer's single bullet hit the sidewalk and broke into fragments, one of which struck the 17-year-old in the face, police said. That teen, who is from College Avenue near 25th Street, was taken to Temple, where he was listed in stable condition.

Also apprehended at the scene was a 14-year-old boy from Dover Street near Oxford.

A third suspect fled on foot, but police have a "good idea" as to the identity of that suspect, believed to be a 17-year-old boy, Vanore said.

A "very real-looking pellet gun" found at the scene is believed to have been the weapon officers spotted in the teen's waistband, according to Vanore.

As is routine procedure, the officer who fired the shot will be placed on desk duty until Internal Affairs and Central Detectives complete an investigation into the case, police said.

[moose]

Why are those two stories linked together?! The only connection I see is underages teens acting like idiots with guns.

Vanore said it's common for retired police officers to "invoke the privilege" to obtain a permit to carry a concealed weapon long after their careers on the street are over.

"Once you're an officer, you're always kind of there," he said.

I loved this part. It reads like only retired LEOs can "invoke the privilege" and that once you are retired you really aren't, but are still looking for criminals (vigilante) Anyone else read into it that way?

[gander215]

[quote=moose;415542]Why are those two stories linked together?! The only connection I see is underages teens acting like idiots with guns.


Again looks like two different stories ran together. But it just goes to show joking around with BB guns ain't no laughing matter. We get all kinds of calls in York City about people being robbed with BB guns and assclowns shooting at passing cars with BB guns. -BB

[gnbrotz]

Originally Posted by moose

I loved this part. It reads like only retired LEOs can "invoke the privilege" and that once you are retired you really aren't, but are still looking for criminals (vigilante) Anyone else read into it that way?

Exactly. Imagine how this guy would have been ripped up one side and down the other if he had just been a 'regular guy' who had a LTCF.

[Damage control]

As they approached they noticed one of the males, a 17-year-old, had what appeared to be the butt of a gun sticking from his waistband area," Vanore said. "They ordered him not to move, to drop it , but as he reached for the firearm, one officer discharged."

So he was complying with an order and got shot! Am I the only one who see's this? This is why when I was demanded to un holster my firearm at OCB I said very loudly ARE YOU DEMANDING I TAKE MY GUN OUT OF MY HOLSTER?

DC

[HiredGoon]

Wonder if the retired cop had also qualified under LEOSA? He wouldn't be automatically covered as a retired LEO without qualifying with his pistol regularly. Then he wouldn't even need the PA LTCF to be legal to carry concealed...nationwide.

[Mr_Tom]

"one officer discharged."

WTF? Give him a wet-nap.

Some people love their job too much!

[CPratt]

I used to be a pizza delivery driver and a couple of drivers were mugged while I was driving. Luckily not me.
But there was a strick policy of no weapons of any kind to be carried by the drivers not even OC.

[headcase]

Originally Posted by HiredGoon

Wonder if the retired cop had also qualified under LEOSA? He wouldn't be automatically covered as a retired LEO without qualifying with his pistol regularly. Then he wouldn't even need the PA LTCF to be legal to carry concealed...nationwide.

According to some posted reports, the LEOSA is unenforceable and not worth the paper it is written on, as the USAG never implemented the required procedures to validate it........

[jahwarrior72]

Vanore said it's common for retired police officers to "invoke the privilege" to obtain a permit to carry a concealed weapon long after their careers on the street are over.

oh, look, it's another example of giving people the wrong idea! isn't that cute?

can anyone tell me how to invoke my privilege when it's time to renew my LTCF? like, the special dance, or sacred words i need to invoke? apparently, no one bothered to tell me. i'm always the last to know these things.....