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It's a travesty. The prison population has quadroupled since 1980, almost entirely as a result of manditory sentencing stemming from the "war on drugs." 57% of the people in prison are there on drug charges. The idea of totally stripping away someone's freedom for years at a time because they sold coke... what kind of nazi do you have to be to get behind that?
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Please define "victimless crime" for me. I've heard this phrase used sooooooo many times but I have never heard the same definition twice. As for Zach's "The idea of totally stripping away someone's freedom for years at a time because they sold coke... what kind of nazi do you have to be to get behind that?" I'm seriously hoping that it was meant tongue in cheeck, but one never knows.
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An action punishable by law in which no other person, outside of the actor, is harmed.
That would be my definition of a victimless crime. I don't think "enabling" counts as causing harm, IMO.
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Are jails/prisons are far over their capicity because of the get tough on crime policy. You see terrorists, or even murders in other countries that get convicted adn they spend 6-15ish years in prison. Here in the US they are in for life. This obviously causes over population. We also send many end drug users to prison. Get rid of WOD and that would probably cut the prison population significantly. If you ever watched MSNBC "Lockup" probably 1/3 to 1/4 are drug crimes.
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OK, so DUI/DWI would be considered a "victimless crime?" Sorry but that doesn't cut it in my book. It may be because I've had friends killed by people who were driving while they were high, or it may be because I have relatives who have been injured by drunk drivers. Doesn't matter, victimless is often only because there is no other person nearby.
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Part of the problem is politicians politicizing crime. Another problem is the Congress federalizing crimes that should be the domain of the states.
However, I have no problem with the *three strikes and you're out* programs. I do have a problem with spending billions of tax dollars to build high tech prisons. Sheriff Joe Arpaio has the solution. There's a reason people used to be sentenced to *hard labor*. It's supposed to be a PUNISHMENT. Another term is "negative reinforcement".
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisia...e_Penitentiary It has a brutal history, but the current warden has instituted a lot of reform and runs the prison respectably. If you've ever seen the HBO special "The Farm", you'll see that it's definitely not a country club, but it's also not a place where inmates can sit around and figure out how to kill each other all day long. I recommend this documentary for anyone interested in the subject of prisons in America, even though I'm not a fan of Rory Kennedy. Here's a quick synopsis from the production company's website: http://www.moxiefirecracker.com/the_farm.html The inmates work the farm for something like $0.15/hr. The prison uses the proceeds from crop sales to offset operational costs. Working the fields is THE hardest job there, and if an inmate wants to be "promoted" to another job that gets them out of the field, pays more money, and gives them additional privileges (like being able to walk around certain areas of the prison and not be locked up all day), then they need to work hard and prove they're capable without degenerating into a criminal.
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Back to the original topic... The reality is that with government making more and more criminals out of good people, the only logical conclusion of that is for prison populations to rise...
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