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More details... boy was son and grandson of cops.

Hunting accident kills police officer's son.

The 14-year-old son of a San Antonio Police Department patrol sergeant was killed Wednesday in a hunting accident in Lavaca County after his grandfather's rifle was mistakenly fired, Sheriff Micah Harmon said.

Taylor Michalec, a freshman at Steele High School in Schertz, was declared dead at the family's private hunting residence. He is the son of Glenn Patrick Michalec, a 16-year veteran of the department, and the grandson of Anton Michalec, a retired SAPD officer.

Harmon said the three were walking near a creek when “a branch or some type of vine,” snagged onto the rifle that Anton Michalec was carrying, pulling the trigger of the loaded semiautomatic. It discharged, hitting Taylor Michalec in the back, the sheriff said.

No one will be charged in the incident, he said.
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Harmon said the three were walking near a creek when “a branch or some type of vine,” snagged onto the rifle that Anton Michalec was carrying, pulling the trigger of the loaded semiautomatic. It discharged, hitting Taylor Michalec in the back, the sheriff said.

No one will be charged in the incident, he said.
Terrible....but what about Gun Safety 101?????????????
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Default Re: Accidental AK discharge while hunting kills Grandson

Damn......

Go hunting to have fun with your GrandPop and he kills you?!?!! WTF!!!

You'd think he'd be more educated with guns than that and either walk beside his Grandson, have the safety on or have nothing in the chamber..or wait, why not all 3?

Who walks behind someone with a loaded gun, seriously?
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Who walks behind someone with a loaded gun, seriously?
I do, but it's in my belt leather holster pointed down.
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Default Re: Accidental AK discharge while hunting kills Grandson

We all can play Monday-morning quarterback, but we are all forewarned. I believe the NRA constantly puts this out in their safety programs:

"ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction."

Now as for the firearm's safety? Geez.....

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There are 2 ways a gun fires:

Intentionally or
Negligently.

There is NO SUCH THING as an accidental discharge.
While I would agree that this was a negligent discharge, there are in fact accidental discharges. Firearms are mechanical devices and anything mechanical can fail.

The difference between an injury / death is in adhering to the four safety rules. And in most cases there is a violation of at least two of the four rules that result in injury / death.
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There are 2 ways a gun fires:

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There is NO SUCH THING as an accidental discharge.
An accidental discharge happens when a safety fails. And the rare slam fires are also accidental.
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More details... boy was son and grandson of cops.

Hunting accident kills police officer's son.

The 14-year-old son of a San Antonio Police Department patrol sergeant was killed Wednesday in a hunting accident in Lavaca County after his grandfather's rifle was mistakenly fired, Sheriff Micah Harmon said.

Taylor Michalec, a freshman at Steele High School in Schertz, was declared dead at the family's private hunting residence. He is the son of Glenn Patrick Michalec, a 16-year veteran of the department, and the grandson of Anton Michalec, a retired SAPD officer.

Harmon said the three were walking near a creek when “a branch or some type of vine,” snagged onto the rifle that Anton Michalec was carrying, pulling the trigger of the loaded semiautomatic. It discharged, hitting Taylor Michalec in the back, the sheriff said.

No one will be charged in the incident, he said.
And now we know exactly why there are no charges being filed... POLICE = No charges.

Emotional distress doesn't replace punishment for a crime. Walking with a loaded rifle pointed at someone that discharges is murder, however you want to write it up, same applies if you are "cleaning" a gun and it goes off because you didn't check it.

Same goes an auto accident where someone dies. Same thing, it was an accident but someone died. there is a penalty that needs to be attached to the crime.

The only reason charges aren't being filed is because its a retired officer and the kids dad is an officer. Anyone else and there would at least be a trial for murder.
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An accidental discharge happens when a safety fails. And the rare slam fires are also accidental.
You should do a safety check prior to loading the gun.

May I add, that there has never been an "accidental" firing of a revolver.
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