Family of man killed by police officer outraged

[Farbmeister]

Its all fun and games until its YOU CCing and jo-popo sees your gun.

It matters not that the guy was running, or yelled he had a gun.. THERE WAS NO THREAT TO THE OFFICER. BG runs away, not facing the police. Where is the threat of harm? Other than the cop probably didn't want to run him down (or probably couldn't) why shoot when no one is in danger?

What if cop misses (you know they do shoot 30-40 rounds A YEAR)... I don't want some ACT 120 hero popping caps in MY HOOD.

Some most people think the officer is a hero... OK... next time its your kid running away at a kegger and grabs his cell phone.. and well, you know the rest.

[BenningBoy]

I want to be with the cops on this one, but the shot in the back thing just doesn't sit right. Wonder if there's more to this?

[theshadow]

Originally Posted by Farbmeister

It matters not that the guy was running, or yelled he had a gun.. THERE WAS NO THREAT TO THE OFFICER. BG runs away, not facing the police. Where is the threat of harm? Other than the cop probably didn't want to run him down (or probably couldn't) why shoot when no one is in danger?

What if cop misses (you know they do shoot 30-40 rounds A YEAR)... I don't want some ACT 120 hero popping caps in MY HOOD.

Some most people think the officer is a hero... OK... next time its your kid running away at a kegger and grabs his cell phone.. and well, you know the rest.

OK, let's not let facts get in the way here. A legit packer would not start running at the discovery of his/ her piece, they'd be very cooperative because they are abiding. Second, if your (Or My) kid is running from the police with their hand on their cellphone shouting I have a gun, I'm going to be more angry with her than the officials. Now as far as him Not being a threat, please complete the following exercise. Stand-up, step away from the computer, twisting only the upper torso, point your strong arm to your rear. How long does it take you to move your hand from the one o'clock position on your belt (as if drawing from Mexican Carry Position) to the point and aim at your rear? Now tell me he's not a threat, his OWN Witness stated he had his hand on the gun the whole time.

[crlovel]

What if the bad guy runs away, and because it's oh so PC to let the poor innocent boy go, even though THEY KNEW HE HAD A GUN, this oh so poor and innocent boy runs and runs and runs his poor little heart out, trying to get away from them evil oppressing popos, so he carjacks someone who resists, he shoots them, but that's ok, too, since they had money and he didn't and he was a victim, runs over someone else if the popos even bother to give chase, which we all know is a no no nowadays... I can keep going, but screw that. He's dead and good riddance.

Justified shooting, the cop saw he had a gun, saw him reach for it, what's the cop supposed to do, wait until he stops running, draws, and aims before he shoots? His hand is on it, he's a threat.

[armabill]

Well, I guess you just had to be there to experience and see what went down.

He was running away from the officer but could he have been running toward another officer? And the officer that he was running away from shot him in the back.

A lot of questions, not enough answers in the article to come to a proper conclusion.

[grwitehunt]

Well the way I see it is. That is one less we the taxpayers have to room, board and give a fitness club membership too. Running with gun in hand saying "dont shoot me" doesnt make sense. I would think a normal person would have put their hands "high" in the air,standing in one place and then say "dont shoot me". As a law abiding citizen should do. Sempler Fi ... armabill

[Swarner793]

Originally Posted by Farbmeister

Its all fun and games until its YOU CCing and jo-popo sees your gun.

It matters not that the guy was running, or yelled he had a gun.. THERE WAS NO THREAT TO THE OFFICER. BG runs away, not facing the police. Where is the threat of harm? Other than the cop probably didn't want to run him down (or probably couldn't) why shoot when no one is in danger?

What if cop misses (you know they do shoot 30-40 rounds A YEAR)... I don't want some ACT 120 hero popping caps in MY HOOD.

Some most people think the officer is a hero... OK... next time its your kid running away at a kegger and grabs his cell phone.. and well, you know the rest.

First, as mentioned, a lawful possessor of a firearm has little concern for jo-popo discovering a concealed firearm. As has been illustrated on this forum with recent events, you may get hassled and have property siezed unlawfully. All can, and will, be rectified using the appropriate means.

Second, I believe that Ayoob had a magnificient article on the fact that just because someone is running from their position/you does not mean that a threat is not presented. Especially if the actor is armed and states that they "have a gun". It is possible that they are moving to a better fighting position, such as cover. Also possible is the threat to the public at large.

Third, I think I would rather have an Act 120 hero popping caps in my hood than a felonious shitbird. Other than in the air or occasional criminal act, I wonder how much shooting the criminal gets in Maybe they do get a lot in in the coal regions (lots of areas to shoot), but in an urban setting it would be tough.

Lastly, my son or daughter running from a kegger. I doubt it! Don't get me wrong, my kids could be at the kegger (hell, they would probably be collecting the cover charge ), the running part is funny! It would be one of their Uncles chasing them anyway. They would rather get the ride home

Be safe. Remember, not all people running away are retreating, some a improving their fighting positions

Scott

[pex]

OK, let's not let facts get in the way here. A legit packer would not start running at the discovery of his/ her piece, they'd be very cooperative because they are abiding.

What if the police are acting illicitly? Wouldn't you rather be running from two than be carried by six or be judged by twelve?

[BenningBoy]

I generally support the police, they do a job that is more difficult than many can imagine. However, if Joe Citizen shot someone in the back,while the BG was fleeing, we all know how it would go down. Again, given the limited facts, I think this is a tough one to call.

[CommonHighrise]

When Im having a polite conversation with a local LEO, I dont put anything south of my elbow on my gun. You grab your gun in front of a LEO, youre asking for trouble. Compound said trouble by doing it while fleeing from said LEO in a high crime area, while you and two others are packing unliscenced concealed weapons, all while dealing with an officer who has had to go through two prior defensive shootings. It all adds up to you getting smoked. Ill stand behind the lawman on this one. If it was a 19-year old running from a raided kegger in suburbia and grabbing his cell phone, yeah different story.

And damn, but why wont these damn parents realise, if your children are hanging out with freinds, with unliscenced firearms, and then flee the police, theyre not 'good kids'.