Philadelphia: Nutter Proposes Crime Plan that stops sale,posession,carry of firearms!

[JoePSU]

Originally Posted by CQB

I am new to the PAFOA and to the boards. I would just like to say that, though I do not live in Philadelphia, I think this guy is wrong. I have emailed Lisa Baker and will be wating for a reply. Hopefully this guy doesn't get elected!

My case in point.

You don't understand what is going on in certain parts of the city. It is warfare for these idiots. They deserve to be frisked, to have their rights infringed upon, all they do is kill, maim, and destroy each other.

If you had any clue, you would vote for Nutter if you had the chance. His anti gun programs would never be enforced, and this alert does nothing but sabatoge the worst part of Philadelphia's best chance for recovery.

[MiniDevil]

No offense to anyone, but did anyone else besides me connect his intentions, with the socialist and fascist takeovers of countries in the past? I will not say which political party I am speaking of, however if any of you do make the connection in your head, you know what I am talking about. Seems to me like a complete blow-off of the constitution, with all 4 'ideas'.

Wow... He really IS a Nut!

[JoePSU]

Originally Posted by MiniDevil

No offense to anyone, but did anyone else besides me connect his intentions, with the socialist and fascist takeovers of countries in the past? I will not say which political party I am speaking of, however if any of you do make the connection in your head, you know what I am talking about. Seems to me like a complete blow-off of the constitution, with all 4 'ideas'.

Wow... He really IS a Nut!

oiy.

In a city where a Republican has no chance in hell, TRUST ME, he is the best option. So much so, that the same clowns who supported John Street are scared to death of him. That says something, believe me.

[MiniDevil]

Originally Posted by JoePSU

My case in point.

You don't understand what is going on in certain parts of the city. It is warfare for these idiots. They deserve to be frisked, to have their rights infringed upon, all they do is kill, maim, and destroy each other.

If you had any clue, you would vote for Nutter if you had the chance. His anti gun programs would never be enforced, and this alert does nothing but sabatoge the worst part of Philadelphia's best chance for recovery.

There are other ways to fight crime rather than to just strip away peoples rights as if it is martial law. Maybe if the current mayor wasnt embezzling money and squandering city resources, he might be able to balance the budget well enough to fund some additional police, or detectives, or maybe even wire the city with cameras instead of buying a Motorola Radio system for the police officers, which DIDNT EVEN WORK (thus losing millions of dollars and costing radio downtime between officers. Nextel, officer?)

[JoePSU]

Originally Posted by MiniDevil

There are other ways to fight crime rather than to just strip away peoples rights as if it is martial law. Maybe if the current mayor wasnt embezzling money and squandering city resources, he might be able to balance the budget well enough to fund some additional police, or detectives, or maybe even wire the city with cameras instead of buying a Motorola Radio system for the police officers, which DIDNT EVEN WORK (thus losing millions of dollars and costing radio downtime between officers. Nextel, officer?)

I agree with your criticism of Street, but the important thing to remember is, Nutter's anti gun proposals are so preposterously illegal, THEY WOULD NEVER BE ENFORCED.

He's pandering, as sad as it is, that's all it is. He shouldn't be dismissed on this one ill fated idea alone, or we'll end up with John Street Jr. : Chaka "The brothers and sisters are still in charge" Fattah.

[MiniDevil]

Originally Posted by JoePSU

I agree with your criticism of Street, but the important thing to remember is, Nutter's anti gun proposals are so preposterously illegal, THEY WOULD NEVER BE ENFORCED.

He's pandering, as sad as it is, that's all it is. He shouldn't be dismissed on this one ill fated idea alone, or we'll end up with John Street Jr. : Chaka "The brothers and sisters are still in charge" Fattah.

I realize what you are saying, but still an empty threat to take away someone's god given rights is bad as well.

Not only are you lying through your teeth, but you are proposing something which you know is 100% illegal, yet don't care.

Not to mention the Governor wants extra tight restrictions on firearms in Philadelphia. He already wants to have a 1-a-month restriction. Sure it can be illegal to do the stuff Nutter proposes. But if the state does it, who is going to say it can't be done?

[KeithPA]

This has nothing to do with his anti-gun proposals.....

This has to do with his lack of ability to simply understand the law of the land. If he is willing to violate civil rights / constitution rights with the aspect of the gun issue; then what other civil rights / consitution rights will he ignore in the name of safety/progress.

I'm not against stopping gun violence, taking illegal guns off the street; but he is willing to do so illegal. If he can't understand the law, how can he enforce the law for the betterment of Philly.....

[JoePSU]

Originally Posted by MiniDevil

I realize what you are saying, but still an empty threat to take away someone's god given rights is bad as well.

Not only are you lying through your teeth, but you are proposing something which you know is 100% illegal, yet don't care.

Not to mention the Governor wants extra tight restrictions on firearms in Philadelphia. He already wants to have a 1-a-month restriction. Sure it can be illegal to do the stuff Nutter proposes. But if the state does it, who is going to say it can't be done?

I for one do not disagree with a 1 per month limit. Not when you have a plague of straw buyers disseminating firearms to thugs and dealers who are anything but responsible gun owners.

Law Enforcement needs to be empowered and supported to eliminate the criminal threat in Philadelphia's ghettos. This isn't the country side of Lancaster County. These people don't deserve the same rights of tax paying, law abiding americans. They deserve to be treated no better than suspected insurgents in Baghdad.
I want a Mayor with the autocratic balls to pull that off. Gun "nuts" be damned. The constitution says nothing about the frequency of gun purchases.

[JoePSU]

Originally Posted by DeltaII5

This has nothing to do with his anti-gun proposals.....

This has to do with his lack of ability to simply understand the law of the land. If he is willing to violate civil rights / constitution rights with the aspect of the gun issue; then what other civil rights / consitution rights will he ignore in the name of safety/progress.

I'm not against stopping gun violence, taking illegal guns off the street; but he is willing to do so illegal. If he can't understand the law, how can he enforce the law for the betterment of Philly.....

I'm sure he understands the law. He's a Penn graduate for goodness sakes. It's Politics, pure and simple. No different from when Bush says "Stay the course" when he has obviously messed up, or when Clinton said... well, you know.

It's politics. You have to see the forest from the trees on this one, or Philadelphia's revival stops November 2007.

[MiniDevil]

Originally Posted by JoePSU

I for one do not disagree with a 1 per month limit. Not when you have a plague of straw buyers disseminating firearms to thugs and dealers who are anything but responsible gun owners.

Law Enforcement needs to be empowered and supported to eliminate the criminal threat in Philadelphia's ghettos. This isn't the country side of Lancaster County. These people don't deserve the same rights of tax paying, law abiding americans. They deserve to be treated no better than suspected insurgents in Baghdad.
I want a Mayor with the autocratic balls to pull that off. Gun "nuts" be damned. The constitution says nothing about the frequency of gun purchases.

'Straw buyers' arent even a real issue. It's just anti-gun propaganda, first off.

Law enforcement is already empowered. They simply need more finances. And no matter what you think of anyone (I am all for stopping crime, and am the first to get pissed off when someone takes advantage of another or hurts another), until they are proven guilty, they are innocent. There is no way in hell I would ever stand to see someone 'suspected' have all their rights stripped away. Anyone who believes a suspect should have no right is not a true patriot of this country. The spirit of our liberty is to keep innocent people free. Do you remember, "Better ten guilty men go free than one innocent punished"? I think people have forgotten what our country was founded on. Freedom.

And just because of a little crime, because a mayor cannot properly balance his budget, you are prepared to treat suspects as if they are terrorist insurgents?

Back to my main point, straw buyers are a non issue. If a criminal wants a gun, they are going to get a gun. They will break into someones house whom has an NRA sticker on their car. They will buy one underground (which are usually stolen firearms anyway). Or they will just use a knife.

People believe too much political propaganda.