accidental shooting in sporting goods store

[Azzy]

Originally Posted by lonehiker

i was in a local gun shop the other day when a youg jack a## walked in with a rifle

the owner said what are doing with that POS rifle in my store with the bolt closed and made him open it up, the poop head with the rifle looked stuned, duh !!

the jack a## did not have a clue......some people sholuld not be allowed to own or handle firearms

all the training in the world doesn't work if some people never develope common sense

In a world where we teach or young that everything will be taken care of by the government, what else would you expect?

[Eugene V. Debs]

Originally Posted by sjl127

There's no such thing as an accidental shooting.

There are only intentional and negligent shootings.

I keep hearing this, but I say no. Because negligence caused an accident doesn't mean it's not an accident.

Saying there are no accidental shootings, only negligent shootings is like saying there are no accidental motor vehicle crashes, only negligent motor vehicle crashes.

I'm reminded of Orwell's essay "Politics in the English Language" everytime I hear about there being "no such thing as an accidental discharge". This argument is purley political, if I shoot you and I didn't mean to, whether it was due to negligence or not, it is still accidental (even if I could be held criminally liable for my negligence).

[Warners Surplus]

it has always amazed me how many people actually do bring guns in for sale,consignment or repair with a round in the chamber.

I actualy had a police officer bring guns in for consignment and while I was clearing everyone of them he said "I don't know why you bother, I cleared them all at home" No more than he got that out of his mouth and the next firearm I checked had a loaded round in the chamber.

In all honesty, some gunshops get way to comfortable around customers with firearms. I can't understand that because as a shop owner I have no way of knowing who you are or what training you have or if you are hung over from the night before. SAFETY FIRST!! then we can bullshit for awhile!


JMHO,
Rich W.

[Warners Surplus]

Originally Posted by Eugene V. Debs

I keep hearing this, but I say no. Because negligence caused an accident doesn't mean it's not an accident.

Saying there are no accidental shootings, only negligent shootings is like saying there are no accidental motor vehicle crashes, only negligent motor vehicle crashes.

I'm reminded of Orwell's essay "Politics in the English Language" everytime I hear about there being "no such thing as an accidental discharge". This argument is purley political, if I shoot you and I didn't mean to, whether it was due to negligence or not, it is still accidental (even if I could be held criminally liable for my negligence).

To me, Accidental means the firearm malfunctioned. If the firearm did not malfunction then it was negligent.

In this case. It was caused by the negligence of BOTH the firearm owner AND the store employee that was handling the firearm.

If the firearm owner would have cleared the firearm BEFORE entering the store, The employee would not have gotten shot.

If the Employee that was looking at the firearm would have made it a point to keep the muzzle pointed UP and then Immediately cleared the firearm before playing with it, The employee would not have gotten shot.

Negligence! Plane and simple from my point of view.

Rich W.

[NineseveN]

So when are the police going to charge the rifle owner for driving with a loaded rifle in his vehicle?

[SuperMoose]

Originally Posted by sjl127

There's no such thing as an accidental shooting.

There are only intentional and negligent shootings.

thats the quote i was looking for when i saw the thread title...thank you

[LBaker]

Did you folks see who the shooter was? Simply amazing!

"Former Delta County police chief named as weekend accidental shooter

The Mesa County Sheriff’s Department has released a few more details about the accidental shooting that happened over the weekend at Jerry’s Outdoor Sports store in Grand Junction, and a former area police chief and police officer was named as the accidental shooter.

Richard Bacher, 56, of Grand Junction was apparently working on a .243-caliber rifle brought to the shop by a Loma man, when the gun discharged. A single bullet struck Kenny Franklin, 53, of Grand Junction, in the abdomen. Franklin was walking past the gun at the time of the accident."

[larrymeyer]

Let's just point it at someone and pull the trigger. You know like pointing it in a safe direction at least the body may stop the bullet.

[rflynn]

I had a customer point a AK47 at me with a round stuck in the chamber. I got a little upset and told him not to point it at me. The asshole then told me he wasn’t pointing it at me as I am looking at the muzzle. People are stupid plain and simple and refuse to take responsibility for there actions. I should have shot him! But I pushed the gun away from me then took it from him.

You do have a lot of people tell you its unloaded in a gun shop. I always check. It’s not always unloaded! And even if it is, don’t point it at anyone it’s not a toy!

[Seneca Arms Co. Inc.]

I have had many asshats bring loaded firearms into my store. Usually goes like this Asshat or (ah) "uh..lookin to see if you are buying guns right now?" my answer "sure, lets see what you have, bring it in a case an unloaded" (ah) goes out to car and brings in handgun tucked into his belt. me "lets take a look at it" (AH) hands it to me barrel pointing in my direction and action closed. I say in a stern voice "please do not point that at me" (AH) "don't worry dude it aint loaded" I then grab the gun out of his hand and open the action. Live round pops out and the magazine is full. Asshat "man I thought it was empty".

This happens several times per year and i am not being dramatic either.