Police Shooting of Mother and Infant Exposes a City’s Racial Tension

[elston32]

Originally Posted by NineseveN

Understood, but let's keep in mind that when living in that situation, the pool of honest men is virtually nil. It's not like stock brokers and accountants are lining up to get involved with a woman with 3/4/5/6/7/8 kids who lives in the ghetto. What do you do when you need that second income? I understand there are options, but how one is raised helps dictate the options you readily recognize.

I'm white, but I grew up in Mount Washington, Beltzhoover and hung out in Oakland and East Liberty growing up to name a few...in the ghetto, no one is innocent...well, no one except the victims...and even then, only sometimes.

That doesn't change the fact that what the police did was seemingly excessive and resulted in the death of a woman who is more or less innocent and a child who is 100% innocent was seriously wounded.

Peace.

Understood.

Peace.

Stay well.


---elston

[Shawn.L]

We could always just stop the "war on drugs", put drug dealers (mostly) out of bussiness. Leave that $$$ in the peoples pockets, so that one earner can support a family again. Not only would single moms have more options, but you could have 2, yes thats right, count them 2 parents raise a child.

When both struggle just to make ends meet there is little time for real parenting.

Reduce the tax burden, strenghthen the family
strong families make strong communities

you can see where this sort of trail leads.





my heart goes out the those children, born innocent, who will grow up without a mother. and probally without a father.

[mikepro8]

Originally Posted by Shawn.L

We could always just stop the "war on drugs", put drug dealers (mostly) out of bussiness. Leave that $$$ in the peoples pockets, so that one earner can support a family again. Not only would single moms have more options, but you could have 2, yes thats right, count them 2 parents raise a child.

When both struggle just to make ends meet there is little time for real parenting.

Reduce the tax burden, strenghthen the family
strong families make strong communities

you can see where this sort of trail leads.


my heart goes out the those children, born innocent, who will grow up without a mother. and probally without a father.

I see what you are saying, but for years I have been saying, what is the alternative? Just because the war on drugs is stopped, doesnt mean BOTH sides stop fighting, so to speak. There will still be turf wars for gangs dealing their (then legal) wares. There will still be drive by shootings and innocent people will be killed. There will still be people who crash their cars because they are so junked up on dope they cant see the wheel in front of them. There will still be mothers who microwave their babies because they think God is telling them to do so, even though its the Methamphetamines.

Stopping the "war on drugs" solves nothing, but neither does continue fighting it... what is the alternative? I dont have one. Do you?
In dealing with addicts for years, I can tell you that legal or not, the drugs control are in control of their minds, not them. Addiction is a horrible thing.

As for the OP, a sad situation that we will never know every detail. Police shooting behind closed doors... There are two sides to every story, and we will never hear the mother's side. The article was full of holes, though. It doesnt say if the shooting was justified or not, does it? Doesnt say whether or not they arrested the boyfriend, does it? Everyone assumes bad things right away. The media has a way of spinning articles, we all know that, we just forget sometimes. Innocent until proven guilty goes both ways. In most police departments, officers involved in a fatal shooting are given paid leave regardless of whether it was a good shoot or not. They need to be examined by a licensed psychiatrist/psychologist to see if they are fit for duty.
Dont jump to conclusions and break your legs in the process.

My favorite part of the article (and I am paraphrasing) was that people are starting to carry weapons to defend themselves. GOOD FOR THEM! It is their God given and constitutional right to carry!

[Shawn.L]

you legalize drugs (some say all, others say just some) and allow them to be regulated and taxed. just like liquor. No-one is selling vodka on any street corners i know of. And we all know how great prohibition was for the mob.

Some would say you can turn around and spend the tax money raised on the sale of drugs on treatment programs. I have heard worse ideas.

My main point though was not about drugs and treatment, although related. It was to relieve the tax burden spent on useless government programs to allow more freedom to the citizen.

[ShakeyDad]

Gosh, what a nice exchange of ideas and points of view. I didn't see once, any name calling, sarcasm, or any other degrading cyber-attitude. Kudos to all of you for having a nice, clean, intelligent conversation. You should all be proud.

[elston32]

Originally Posted by ShakeyDad

Gosh, what a nice exchange of ideas and points of view. I didn't see once, any name calling, sarcasm, or any other degrading cyber-attitude. Kudos to all of you for having a nice, clean, intelligent conversation. You should all be proud.

Thanks for the kudos, ShakeyDad!

I guess that the "rabble-rousers" were otherwise occupied.

Stay well.


---elston

[NineseveN]

Originally Posted by elston32

Thanks for the kudos, ShakeyDad!

I guess that the "rabble-rousers" were otherwise occupied.

Stay well.


---elston

Nah, I just felt like playing nice today.

[ShakeyDad]

Originally Posted by NineseveN

Nah, I just felt like playing nice today.

Ya see, I didn't wanna say"Nineseven doesn't usually talk this nice". But, then again, anyone who knows of your writings is well aware that ya'll can be a bit cantankerous at times. Ya did a good job of staying under the radar on this one.

[NineseveN]

Originally Posted by ShakeyDad

Ya see, I didn't wanna say"Nineseven doesn't usually talk this nice". But, then again, anyone who knows of your writings is well aware that ya'll can be a bit cantankerous at times. Ya did a good job of staying under the radar on this one.

I'm rather abrasive, like a sandpaper vagina, no doubt, but I wouldn't say that I'm regularly so. In fact, I'd wager a guess that there's at least a 50/50 split between my vicious tirades and my sweet nothings on this board...but the fire and brimstone stuff does tend to stand out. The insidious damnation of certain others seems to be particularly well received...though I'm surprised myself that there's even an audience here for it.

In any event, like all smart fish, I like shiny things and I tend to go with the flow.

[ShakeyDad]

Originally Posted by NineseveN

I'm rather abrasive, like a sandpaper vagina, no doubt, but I wouldn't say that I'm regularly so. In fact, I'd wager a guess that there's at least a 50/50 split between my vicious tirades and my sweet nothings on this board...but the fire and brimstone stuff does tend to stand out. The insidious damnation of certain others seems to be particularly well received...though I'm surprised myself that there's even an audience here for it.

In any event, like all smart fish, I like shiny things and I tend to go with the flow.

Sandpaper vagina ?? Just the thought.....(shudder). Anywho, no, you are not regularly abrasive. I would venture a guess more like 51/49 on the split As for the fire and brimstone stuff, yeah, man, it stands out like the fat girl at a frat party. It just doesn't suck like one I personally stay away from most of the insidious damnation, myself. It doesn't do anything but make people believe they have balls that they actually don't. If ya wouldn't say it to someone's face, without fear of being punched in the mouth, don't say it here.


Smart fish know that the shiny things usually have hooks in them