This is what Civil War in America will Look Like

[308man]

The thought is very frightening, the possibilty always real,and the outcome will be hardly ideal at best. I think war should be avoided, but some things are worth fighting for. History tells us that almost all nations go through revolutions against their governments when they become too powerful and civil war happens when they become too divided. To ignore History is foolish, but to wish this upon our nation is just as foolish.

[556slinger]

Originally Posted by 308man

The thought is very frightening, the possibilty always real,and the outcome will be hardly ideal at best. I think war should be avoided, but some things are worth fighting for. History tells us that almost all nations go through revolutions against their governments when they become too powerful and civil war happens when they become too divided. To ignore History is foolish, but to wish this upon our nation is just as foolish.

Amen borther Amen

[Carnes]

Originally Posted by 308man

The thought is very frightening, the possibilty always real,and the outcome will be hardly ideal at best. I think war should be avoided, but some things are worth fighting for. History tells us that almost all nations go through revolutions against their governments when they become too powerful and civil war happens when they become too divided. To ignore History is foolish, but to wish this upon our nation is just as foolish.

Yeah, it's a catch 22 in a way. I've been to enough different third world countries and nasty places to know without a doubt that I don't want that here, at home. One of the things that makes going to shit-hole parts of the world tolerable is knowing that I have a warm bed with clean sheets waiting for me in a place where I can go to sleep without the expectation of random explosions and other life-threatening situations.

I genuinely want to believe that the US can be 'saved' without having to turn my back-yard into a field of fire, and my basement into a bunker. In a civil war, there is no home to go to when it is all done. What you see is what you get. If you think people have PTSD now, recognize that the problems will be wildly magnified by the fact that there is nothing to look forward to other than victory or death.

I also find myself asking if it is really that bad. When is enough, enough? Where do I draw the line? When am I willing to give up my warm bed? Are we suffering the tyranny that the founders spoke of, or would they be happy to live the wildly lavish lifestyle that most American's enjoy?

When I think that the citizens of the US can fix the system from within, sometimes I feel like I am the mother of a teenage kid that knows that the kid is doing drugs but finds it easier to deny that reality than to face the complications associated with accepting it. As long as I can believe that the system can be fixed through activism and votes, then I don't have to accept the nightmare of a reality that would have to exist otherwise.

On the other hand, when I feel like enough is enough and that the infringements on Liberty can no longer be tolerated, I feel like I am only seeking to justify a carnal desire for the thrill of combat and the intense rewards and losses that come along with the associated drama. I wonder if maybe I am being selfish and can't just leave well enough alone. I do recognize that things can always be better than they are.

[BSH]

Originally Posted by GunLawyer001

If any State tried to secede, the Feds would arrest every State politician who favored secession, throw them in jail, and replace them with acceptable pro-Federal politicians.

That sounds just like the 1770's. Unless I REALLY don't remember my US history...

Originally Posted by GunLawyer001

Inter arma enim silent leges

Okay, show of hands, how many folks figured out what this said WITHOUT any searches or translators? Actually, this is probably the most succinct and apt comment possible on the topic.

The article in the OP is just so much hysteria and fear-mongering. Yes, real war is real bad. But the fact is, nobody knows what would happen if there came an actual secession or secession movement. So much would depend on the circumstances of the time. It's even possible that the US government would be so drowned in debt and political ill-will that it could not even mount an opposition to secession, and the country would break apart peacefully.

It's also possible that a new party will come to power, displacing the disgraced Dems & Reps, and restoring some credibility, responsibility, and meaningful limits to the Federal government. In this case, we would have to have some sweeping changes to statutes and caselaw, and some new constitutional amendments.

Then again, if there were real shooting and real war, it could look much like the quoted article.

I'm rooting for an amicable divorce. Maybe even a commonwealth sort of arrangement (as in the British commonwealth after the breakup of the empire).

[buster2209]

Originally Posted by BSH

I'm rooting for an amicable divorce. Maybe even a commonwealth sort of arrangement (as in the British commonwealth after the breakup of the empire).

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst - that's why we fight to keep our guns!!

[NightRocker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPTbK...eature=related Judge Andrew Napolitano - Secession 10th Amendment

[Dodahdude]

Good put........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter_a...m_silent_leges

[Stony]

Originally Posted by ddog101775

the main thing that annoys me in this article is the fact that this guy thinks that some liberal or conservative can just walk into a nuclear missile silo and obliterate a city.

correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't there a very lengthy and secure process in launching a nuke, that involves direct confirmation from POTUS and cooperation from the TWO guys turning the keys (plus a whole lot of other stuff)? i'm not quite sure what the details of that process are, but i believe it involves SECRET codes sent by POTUS, that are LOCKED in a SAFE until someone (and i believe that's one, and only one person) in the silo unlocks said safe and retrieves those codes, to insure that it is indeed POTUS ordering the launch.

also, this guy seems to think that we're just going to start dropping nukes on our own soil. sorry, but even though we might go to war, i don't think that we will have people willing to start nuking our own soil, and millions of americans, just to win. i just don't see it going THAT far.

Actually you are partially correct.....the two most powerful men on the planet are the POTUS and the captain of a nuclear submarine. As a side note, can you imagine the captain of a nuclear armed sub going rogue?

[Stony]

The Author of this, really didn't think this through very well...he failed to mention the chain of supply being broken. Food becoming scarce. Lets face it- most Americans think food magically appears on walmarts shelves.
War-lords is what would happen. He said about there being a state of Martial Law...if the civil war was large enough- that would be a joke. If it was another nation-wide war with many factions (not just North Vs. South) it'd be like herding cats. Troops would abandon their units in a heart beat- or fail to be the aggressor against their fellow country-men.

The truth is- NOBODY knows exactly what would happen. The best guess is that the shit would get runny pretty quickly. In that case (of an all out huge civil war), our biggest concern would be an outside enemy. Russia or China uses the chance to invade. A small violently positive to this whole scenario- I highly doubt that if the U.S. collapsed like that, A.The rest of the world wouldn't soon follow. B. All the peace treaties about unconventional warfare and having to use certain bullets would go out the window....I highly doubt a texan Infantryman would be worried about violating the Haight (sp) treaty by not using FMJ's

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by Stony

can you imagine the captain of a nuclear armed sub going rogue?

yup, I can

The Hunt for Red October