Libertarian 9/11 truth leader Jim Duensing shot in the back by cops

[rodder]

According to Las Vegas police policy, police can use deadly force based on the severity of the crime, whether the suspect is a threat to the officer or others and whether the suspect is actively resisting arrest or attempting to avoid arrest by fleeing.

whoa, hold the presses here. LVPD can use deadly force to stop someone from fleeing?

[d90king]

I am glad he wasn't killed, but I also hope he is held accountable for the crimes he committed. I don't think anybody on here is going to support anybody fleeing from the police and then reaching for two weapons as they are in pursuit. He already had a warrant for his arrest and I assume that is the reason that he was fleeing.

I find it interesting how the Libertarian party is distancing themselves from this guy. I also would have liked to have seen the entire story posted instead of a snip to bolster outrage against LE.

[andrewjs18]

Originally Posted by d90king

I am glad he wasn't killed, but I also hope he is held accountable for the crimes he committed. I don't think anybody on here is going to support anybody fleeing from the police and then reaching for two weapons as they are in pursuit. He already had a warrant for his arrest and I assume that is the reason that he was fleeing.

I find it interesting how the Libertarian party is distancing themselves from this guy. I also would have liked to have seen the entire story posted instead of a snip to bolster outrage against LE.

agreed...running from cops makes them assume you've done something bad, IMHO.

[buster2209]

Originally Posted by d90king

I also would have liked to have seen the entire story posted instead of a snip to bolster outrage against LE.

It's all I had at the time, hence why I drew no conclusions when posting the article.

[andrewjs18]

Originally Posted by buster2209

It's all I had at the time, hence why I drew no conclusions when posting the article.

the English man is holding out on us. =P

[buster2209]

Originally Posted by andrewjs18

the English man is holding out on us. =P

LOL!! There is no concrete version of events yet, hence why I am holding out!

I like to work in facts and figures; I'm not a fan of hypothetical situations!

[Swarner793]

Originally Posted by rodder

whoa, hold the presses here. LVPD can use deadly force to stop someone from fleeing?

It can be argued that there is a similar provision in PA. The following is in Chapter 5. Depending on the level of threat the actor posed, especially if he was fiddling with a firearm as he was fleeing, the LEO may be able use deadly force. I have highlighted red the section regarding escape. It may actually matter, in PA anyway, if the actor was advised he was under arrest. I am not an LEO and this is just my opinion.

Be safe (and remember, they may not be running away, just moving to a better fighting positon ).

Scott

§ 508. Use of force in law enforcement



(a) Peace officer's use of force in making arrest.--

(1) A peace officer, or any person whom he has summoned or directed to assist him, need not retreat or desist from efforts to make a lawful arrest because of resistance or threatened resistance to the arrest. He is justified in the use of any force which he believes to be necessary to effect the arrest and of any force which he believes to be necessary to defend himself or another from bodily harm while making the arrest. However, he is justified in using deadly force only when he believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or serious bodily injury to himself or such other person, or when he believes both that:

(i) such force is necessary to prevent the arrest from being defeated by resistance or escape; and

(ii) the person to be arrested has committed or attempted a forcible felony or is attempting to escape and possesses a deadly weapon, or otherwise indicates that he will endanger human life or inflict serious bodily injury unless arrested without delay.

(2) A peace officer making an arrest pursuant to an invalid warrant is justified in the use of any force which he would be justified in using if the warrant were valid, unless he knows that the warrant is invalid.


(b) Private person's use of force in making arrest.--

(1) A private person who makes, or assists another private person in making a lawful arrest is justified in the use of any force which he would be justified in using if he were summoned or directed by a peace officer to make such arrest, except that he is justified in the use of deadly force only when he believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or serious bodily injury to himself or another.

(2) A private person who is summoned or directed by a peace officer to assist in making an arrest which is unlawful, is justified in the use of any force which he would be justified in using if the arrest were lawful, unless he knows that the arrest is unlawful.

(3) A private person who assists another private person in effecting an unlawful arrest, or who, not being summoned, assists a peace officer in effecting an unlawful arrest, is justified in using any force which he would be justified in using if the arrest were lawful, if:

(i) he believes the arrest is lawful; and

(ii) the arrest would be lawful if the facts were as he believes them to be.


(c) Use of force regarding escape.--

(1) A peace officer, corrections officer or other person who has an arrested or convicted person in his custody is justified in the use of such force to prevent the escape of the person from custody as the officer or other person would be justified in using under subsection (a) if the officer or other person were arresting the person.

(2) A peace officer or corrections officer is justified in the use of such force, including deadly force, which the officer believes to be necessary to prevent the escape from a correctional institution of a person whom the officer believes to be lawfully detained in such institution under sentence for an offense or awaiting trial or commitment for an offense.

(3) A corrections officer is justified in the use of such force, which the officer believes to be necessary to defend himself or another from bodily harm during the pursuit of the escaped person. However, the officer is justified in using deadly force only when the officer believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or serious bodily injury to himself or another or when the officer believes that:

(i) such force is necessary to prevent the apprehension from being defeated by resistance; and

(ii) the escaped person has been convicted of committing or attempting to commit a forcible felony, possesses a deadly weapon or otherwise indicates that he will endanger human life or inflict serious bodily injury unless apprehended without delay.

[d90king]

Originally Posted by buster2209

It's all I had at the time, hence why I drew no conclusions when posting the article.

It was not a jab at you! Don't take my posts personally, I am hoping that it will help you long term. It is not an attack at you. It is always best to try and post ALL the facts whenever possible, sometimes that means waiting until you have them before hitting submit. Try using multiple sources instead of agenda based sites.

[buster2209]

Originally Posted by d90king

It was not a jab at you! Don't take my posts personally, I am hoping that it will help you long term. It is not an attack at you. It is always best to try and post ALL the facts whenever possible, sometimes that means waiting until you have them before hitting submit. Try using multiple sources instead of agenda based sites.

I know it wasn't a jab at me personally. I was trying to find other sources but they were all coming from the same stand point. I figured it seemed like interesting news but will hold out a little longer next time. I was more concerned with the way the Police conducted themselves as opposed to whom it was directed against as I've never heard of the fella who was shot.

[Vismund Cygnus]

It was an inside job, the government's behind it!