And the march toward socialism continues...

[Dodahdude]

Shhhh.. Don't tell anyone...

[Pector55]

Originally Posted by chucksniper

All these problems didn't arise in the last eight years. How stupid are these people? Pretty stupid.

Let me fill in the blanks... it started in the 60's when big comglomerates began to move thier buisnesses over seas to increase thier profit margins. And from there it progressively got worse, due to these Dems not giving them tax breaks.

And noone is wlling to REBUILD, this once money making country. All the goverment can do is keep are noses above water.

I'm no fan of the left but there is a lot more blame to go around then what you tagged on the Dems. Let's be fair and really address all of those responsible. Bottom line is that Republicans have moved quite far away from their namesake and getting their asses beat may have been the best thing that could have happened. Either they get back to our founding fathers' creation or move aside for a 3rd party who will. Simply playing the left / right game is part of our problem IMO.

[Morel42]

Originally Posted by Pector55

I'm no fan of the left but there is a lot more blame to go around then what you tagged on the Dems. Let's be fair and really address all of those responsible. Bottom line is that Republicans have moved quite far away from their namesake and getting their asses beat may have been the best thing that could have happened. Either they get back to our founding fathers' creation or move aside for a 3rd party who will. Simply playing the left / right game is part of our problem IMO.

It's just not our own Governments fault either.. The world HAS changed significantly in the past 20-30 years.. The years of the USA having the advantage of "Our entire country wasn't bombed to shit during WW2" has finally ran out.

Combine with a changing world, Currency issues, Cost of living, Cost of labor, Relaxed regulations on shipping work overseas, and the developing worlds increased ability to provide skilled labor with a reliable infrastructure have put huge pressure on domestic industries..

Then add the fact that our own business leaders have become dogmatic MORONS who don't know the basics about how to start and run a company, it has become a perfect storm.

I'm sure most people here have worked for mid-sized companies who's management were totally worthless and self destructed.

The issue is so complex that both parties have made huge mistakes, and alot of companies failed because of their own management and not something that the Government did.

Take the Auto industry.. Can someone tell me why GM needs 29 types of engines? With the majority of them not sharing a single part? Ford finally woke up and is starting to standardize their entire product line.

Make 2 Engines.. And then customize each for the specific car you're putting it in.

1 High HP large displacement engine with different ECU tuning for whatever application you need.
1 Low Displacement engine that can have a high MPG or have more HP with a turbo addon.

Customize the ECU for each application and share as many components as humanly possible. This is not rocket science. Henry Ford pioneered it for god's sake.

[Eugene V. Debs]

Originally Posted by Morel42

The years of the USA having the advantage of "Our entire country wasn't bombed to shit during WW2" has finally ran out.

That happened in the 70s vis-a-vis Europe and Japan, and we've been living on borrowed time ever since. A country of this size and diversity cannot rely on a soft economy, which we have been since the 1980s.

This economic crisis should be spurring us to rebuild our industrial base, but it's not, sadly. Just more outsourcing from big business and more corporate welfare and wasteful spending from the government. It truly is sad.

To quote Frank Sobotka from The Wire: "You know what the problem is, Brucie? We used to make shit in this country... build shit. Now we just put our hand in the next guy's pockets."

[mjfletcher]

Originally Posted by Morel42

Take the Auto industry.. Can someone tell me why GM needs 29 types of engines? With the majority of them not sharing a single part? Ford finally woke up and is starting to standardize their entire product line.

Make 2 Engines.. And then customize each for the specific car you're putting it in.

1 High HP large displacement engine with different ECU tuning for whatever application you need.
1 Low Displacement engine that can have a high MPG or have more HP with a turbo addon.

Customize the ECU for each application and share as many components as humanly possible. This is not rocket science. Henry Ford pioneered it for god's sake.

Though I've picked up a few things in my life, I'm not a "Gearhead" by any means, however, a few friends of mine were discussing this not long ago. They came to the conclusion that they should have 6 engines. 2 each in 4, 6, 8 cylinder; one for general/workhorse applications and one for higher performance applications.

I could just nod my head and smile bc the only thing I know about the diff is (from them lol) 30x in means itll run forever as long as you maintain it, give it a rebuild every 300k miles whether it needs it or not and it'll be good as new, while a 35x at 300k miles is past its prime and may as well just be replaced bc a rebuild won't get it back up to its former glory.

[chucksniper]

Originally Posted by Morel42

It's just not our own Governments fault either.. The world HAS changed significantly in the past 20-30 years.. The years of the USA having the advantage of "Our entire country wasn't bombed to shit during WW2" has finally ran out.

Combine with a changing world, Currency issues, Cost of living, Cost of labor, Relaxed regulations on shipping work overseas, and the developing worlds increased ability to provide skilled labor with a reliable infrastructure have put huge pressure on domestic industries..

Then add the fact that our own business leaders have become dogmatic MORONS who don't know the basics about how to start and run a company, it has become a perfect storm.

I'm sure most people here have worked for mid-sized companies who's management were totally worthless and self destructed.

The issue is so complex that both parties have made huge mistakes, and alot of companies failed because of their own management and not something that the Government did.

Take the Auto industry.. Can someone tell me why GM needs 29 types of engines? With the majority of them not sharing a single part? Ford finally woke up and is starting to standardize their entire product line.

Make 2 Engines.. And then customize each for the specific car you're putting it in.

1 High HP large displacement engine with different ECU tuning for whatever application you need.
1 Low Displacement engine that can have a high MPG or have more HP with a turbo addon.

Customize the ECU for each application and share as many components as humanly possible. This is not rocket science. Henry Ford pioneered it for god's sake.

I see this point, I experienced this...( I'm sure most people here have worked for mid-sized companies who's management were totally worthless and self destructed.) ....about companies not know how to run a biz... GM payed to much to thier employees in pay and benefits.
(The issue is so complex that both parties have made huge mistakes, and alot of companies failed because of their own management and not something that the Government did.) Unions have too much power.


Folks judge me and ask " so what about you" meaning what's the deal with your job situation? "??" After saying the post office took a bail out.... and asking that person, "why did they need a bail out?" "They don't know what there're doing" So what 's my story. Ah....They don't know what there're doing?" people see some things but not the whole picture.