Arizona Sheriff Won't Cooperate With DOJ

[mjfletcher]

I've said for years that prison terms should be split into 3 sections.

Part 1: Pure punishment.
You sit in a cell by yourself all day except for 1 hour during which you get to hit the exercise room (aka a place to walk in circles and maybe lift a small amount of weight, 20lbs?) to keep muscles from atrophying and take a shower, still by yourself. You are not permitted books, time with other prisoners, or letters. You get to spend all day with nothing but your thoughts which will eventually turn to where you are and why you're there.

Part 2: Punishment with potential for earned priveliges.
You are in a cell with a cellmate (if its not possible to put you alone) with open bars on the front.
IF you were a model prisoner, followed all the rules, etc during part 1 you are initially permitted 1 book per week, 1 letter in and out per week to and from approved persons, and 2 hours per day in the yard with the other prisoners. You WILL be assigned a job in the prison. If you perform your job as required, follow the rules, etc you can earn more privs; 2 books/letters a week, more time in the yard, etc BUT those priveliges can be revoked if you screw up.

Part 3: Rehabilitation
IF you did what you were supposed to do, followed the rules, etc during Part 2 you are moved to a dormitory style section of the prison. There you will continue to have the priveliges you earned in Part 2 but instead of a job in the prison you will receive job training to ensure you have useful skills when you are released. Job placement assistance will be available*. You've earned the opportunity to make yourself a contributing member of society and everything will be done to provide you that opportunity.

We have to face it, there's alot of criminals that have no skills other than crime and a 10 year stretch won't do a thing if they come out with the same job skills they went in with. Prison went from pure punishment to pure rehabilitations, now we need to get it back to the middle.

*Incentive to businesses? Tax breaks for participating in the "Cells to society" program?

[jmanzini]

Tip of the hat to Sheriff Joe. He runs a strict but fair prison. He is in the minority of elected officials to speak his mind. Speaking of elected, the voters of his county seem to like and back him.

[••SpraynPray••]

Originally Posted by Ten*K

gee, considering a certain President has family members who are illegals?

The prez & his family are beyond his jurisdiction, and above the law aparently. =D

[BTA88]

Originally Posted by ••SpraynPray••

The prez & his family are beyond his jurisdiction, and above the law aparently. =D

What was that Nixon quote from Forst/Nixon? "When the President does something, it's not illegal."? Totally true in this instance...

Originally Posted by mjfletcher

Part 1: Pure punishment.
You sit in a cell by yourself all day except for 1 hour during which you get to hit the exercise room (aka a place to walk in circles and maybe lift a small amount of weight, 20lbs?) to keep muscles from atrophying and take a shower, still by yourself. You are not permitted books, time with other prisoners, or letters. You get to spend all day with nothing but your thoughts which will eventually turn to where you are and why you're there.

Isn't this the philosophy that went into Eastern State Pen? And it was used as the basis of our entire prison system and it sucks hard.

[adymond]

Originally Posted by BTA88

Isn't this the philosophy that went into Eastern State Pen? And it was used as the basis of our entire prison system and it sucks hard.

You are right. That was the Quaker ideal of imprisonment. Though if that is just the first portion of your term and you progress past that it may not suck so bad. Besides why is prison supposed to not suck?

[NineseveN]

Originally Posted by adymond

You are right. That was the Quaker ideal of imprisonment. Though if that is just the first portion of your term and you progress past that it may not suck so bad. Besides why is prison supposed to not suck?

There are valid psychological reasons why harsher prison conditions aren't necessarily likely to produce a better human being at the completion of one's sentence. I don't have time to go into it right now, but if we want to take it down that road, we can. It's not about feeling sorry for the criminals, it's about trying to find and focus on what works.

[ehidle]

Originally Posted by LorDiego01

This guy is a piece of trash.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arp..._and_criticism

His page on controversy and criticism keeps on growing, and growing and growing....

So, a liberal website like Wikipedia has a Controversy page that states facts gleaned from liberal sources (See citations 48 onward for citations to various MSM outlets, ACLU reports, liberal think-tank reports, and so on) about a conservative Sheriff...

What a surprise...

[BTA88]

Originally Posted by adymond

Besides why is prison supposed to not suck?

Sorry, by "sucks", I meant it is ineffective at reducing recidivism. Prison should suck, but being coldly isolationist isn't severally the best answer, as we've seen from our current prison system.

[Elmar]

Originally Posted by ehidle

So, a liberal website like Wikipedia has a Controversy page that states facts gleaned from liberal sources (See citations 48 onward for citations to various MSM outlets, ACLU reports, liberal think-tank reports, and so on) about a conservative Sheriff...

What a surprise...

Wikipedia isn't a liberal website - it is open to public review. You can go in and register and change whatever you would like anything to say right now.

I've seen interviews with this guy and he doesn't give shit one about the rights of the citizens of his county or anyone else in it. He isn't respectfull of the law - he simply wants people to do what he says. That is unAmerican.

[CarolinaGuy]

Originally Posted by ehidle

So, a liberal website like Wikipedia...

I'd turn a link from the bastion of truth that is conservapedia, but they are lacking an entry on Sheriff Joe.

Heh...