OUR COUNTRY IS HISTORY!

[Morel42]

Originally Posted by bogey1

how about if i paid for it out of my own pocket? as the title says, OUR COUNTRY IS HISTORY!

No problem whatsoever with me.. After all that's what this country is about.. You can display your religious beliefs that you want on your own property using your own money, and I can do the same thing.. We're both covered

Now if you figure out how to get enough cash to buy some space on the Mall, I'd be really damn impressed..

It's a common misconception. Non-believers (in general) don't hate religion. We don't want to control your ability to show your beliefs. We just don't want to be forced to pay for it, or have you force it on our children..

My neighbor flies a "God is your Savior" flag in his yard.. It's REALLY big, but I never have a problem with it. It's on his property and it's his damn right to do so..

[Rauswaffen]

Originally Posted by chucksniper

... this country was founded on BIBLICAL principles....

"This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it" John Adams

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches" Benjamin Franklin

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man" Thomas Jefferson

"The US is not now, nor never has been, founded on Christianity"
Treaty of Trent signed by John Adams as president and ratified by
Congress.

Nope guess not.

[Warpt762x39]

The first thing needed to form a Facist/Socialist/Nationalist state is to destroy religion.

Replacing religious symbols and ideas with those of the government. Mussollini did it. Hitler did it. It happened in Russia.

The ACLU takes the phrase "seperation of Church and State" over the top. If I remember correctly, and correct me if I'm wrong, there is no such phrase in any of the Founding Documents.

The closest thing to it would be that the government couldn't start it's own religion and make it, or any other, religion mandatory. Sort of a Church of England, America Edition.

The ACLU should change it's name to the Sue America For Everything Union.

[MostlyHarmless]

Originally Posted by chucksniper

Whether you believe it or not... this country was founded on BIBLICAL principles.... and based on that is the reason why this country has been blessed by God. BUT it is deteriorating because GOD is being removed from goverment,and such, as I stated earlier, from schools also.

Whatever you believe, this country was founded on universal principles. The Bible reflects some of them, but that may be pure coincidence.

I belong to no established religion. Whatever I believe is irrelevant anyways. This is a memorial in honor of brave soldiers who gave their lives in the call of duty. There is no fucking reason for taking offense in a symbol as established as a cross, a star of David or a yellow ribbon for that matter. Are they going to ban yellow ribbons from government property next? How about that star spangled banner? That's kind of a symbol, quite a good number of people in this world find offensive, don't they? I mean, some in the middle east find it so offensive, they burn it in the streets! We really should be more respectful to their feelings ... NOT.

ACLU my ass. The day the ACLU fights a 2A case, I may listen again. Until then, they are just a bunch of ambulance chasers to me.


Jan

PS: Every time I see a burning flag I think that we should take it just as serious as those Mullah's, that found depicting the prophet in cartoons was offensive. Ask them to hunt down those criminals and prosecute them appropriately. And if they don't, they can STFU about our freedom of expression. The finger they get from me after that fail will not be the thumb.

[chucksniper]

Whatever you believe, this country was founded on universal principles. The Bible reflects some of them, but that may be pure coincidence...?????coincidence...?????my foot



“It can not be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians, not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ!” Patrick Henryt

"It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains."
Partrick Henry

Why look... what I found...
How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts! O! 'tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments.
Benjamin Franklin


"It is the duty of mankind on all suitable occasions to acknowledge their dependence on the Divine Being... [that] Almighty God would mercifully interpose and still the rage of war among the nations... [and that] He would take this province under his protection, confound the designs and defeat the attempts of its enemies, and unite our hearts and strengthen our hands in every undertaking that may be for the public good, and for our defense and security in this time of danger.

I never doubted, for instance, the existence of the Deity; that he made the world, and governed it by his Providence; that the most acceptable service of God was the doing good to man; that our souls are immortal; and that all crime will be punished, and virtue rewarded either here or hereafter.

Freedom is not a gift bestowed upon us by other men, but a right that belongs to us by the laws of God and nature.

Ben Franklin


Franklin was an agnostic... but still believed in God.
Washington was a Deist.... but still believed in God.

My point is... These men, wheather saved or not, whether deists, anostic, cathoilc, purists, etc.. they had a reverence for God. Obama? Does he? No.

The constitution is eroding, due to God being taken out of the picture, from money, from schools, from the home, especially from the home, from the gov't...

The gov't is our children...this country is our children, hence the home is crucial to the future of this "ONCE" great nation, but is eroding due to this claticismic downturn of a people that only care about themselves.

I will not see the destruction, but at least our fore fathers didn't want to see it... and sacrifced to set in place with the divine direction of God.

[schmol]

Why can't people get some money together and buy that little piece of land and tell the ACLU to go fuck off!!

[chucksniper]

probobly because it's federally protected.

[camper]

Originally Posted by Morel42

We just don't want to be forced to pay for it, or have you force it on our children..

Why, oh why doesn't this belief of the democratic party translate to anything besides religious expression?

Can we go through the list of things the democratic party wants everyone to pay for regardless of any opposition on the subject? (healthcare, welfare, social security, etc)

The "don't want to be forced to pay, nor force it upon our children" argument kinda loses effectiveness when compared to how the party wants to pay for its social programs many conservatives do not support.

Seems a little...inconsistent...to say that the democratic party wants to exclude religious symbolism because they don't want to pay for it is all, and then force-feed numerous other social programs to other americans who don't want to pay for them, etiher.

camper

[Morel42]

Originally Posted by Warpt762x39

The first thing needed to form a Facist/Socialist/Nationalist state is to destroy religion.

Replacing religious symbols and ideas with those of the government. Mussollini did it. Hitler did it. It happened in Russia.

The ACLU takes the phrase "seperation of Church and State" over the top. If I remember correctly, and correct me if I'm wrong, there is no such phrase in any of the Founding Documents.

The closest thing to it would be that the government couldn't start it's own religion and make it, or any other, religion mandatory. Sort of a Church of England, America Edition.

The ACLU should change it's name to the Sue America For Everything Union.

The only person of the three that did any mass attack on religion was Stalin.

[Morel42]

Originally Posted by chucksniper

Whatever you believe, this country was founded on universal principles. The Bible reflects some of them, but that may be pure coincidence...?????coincidence...?????my foot



“It can not be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians, not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ!” Patrick Henryt

"It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains."
Partrick Henry

Why look... what I found...
How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts! O! 'tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments.
Benjamin Franklin


"It is the duty of mankind on all suitable occasions to acknowledge their dependence on the Divine Being... [that] Almighty God would mercifully interpose and still the rage of war among the nations... [and that] He would take this province under his protection, confound the designs and defeat the attempts of its enemies, and unite our hearts and strengthen our hands in every undertaking that may be for the public good, and for our defense and security in this time of danger.

I never doubted, for instance, the existence of the Deity; that he made the world, and governed it by his Providence; that the most acceptable service of God was the doing good to man; that our souls are immortal; and that all crime will be punished, and virtue rewarded either here or hereafter.

Freedom is not a gift bestowed upon us by other men, but a right that belongs to us by the laws of God and nature.

Ben Franklin


Franklin was an agnostic... but still believed in God.
Washington was a Deist.... but still believed in God.

My point is... These men, wheather saved or not, whether deists, anostic, cathoilc, purists, etc.. they had a reverence for God. Obama? Does he? No.

The constitution is eroding, due to God being taken out of the picture, from money, from schools, from the home, especially from the home, from the gov't...

The gov't is our children...this country is our children, hence the home is crucial to the future of this "ONCE" great nation, but is eroding due to this claticismic downturn of a people that only care about themselves.

I will not see the destruction, but at least our fore fathers didn't want to see it... and sacrifced to set in place with the divine direction of God.

You assume when people say "God" They mean the God of Abraham as described in the Bible and the Qur'an.

Most people believe in some sort of "God" Whatever his role, reality, or nature is left up to the individual to decide.. Some also believe that we cannot begin to understand the very being of God. What is God?

Nobody. Knows.