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[unloved]

Originally Posted by chucksniper

You don't believe what I believe because God hasn't revealed it to you. Hopefully He will, if it's His will. Take care, and lets hope for the best, I'll be praying.

More circular 'reasoning.'

Originally Posted by chucksniper

Ok folks... so far EVERyBODY That butted heads with me I have found them tripping over thier statements. But NOONE has found me with falicies.

maybe when I get back from free America PA, I list them.

We're waiting with bated breath.

[MostlyHarmless]

Originally Posted by chucksniper

You don't believe what I believe because God hasn't revealed it to you. Hopefully He will, if it's His will. Take care, and lets hope for the best, I'll be praying.

While creating the infinite Universe as it needed to be created, including all that was, is or ever will be, Gods will was imprinted in the very fabric of this Universe because the Universe is the direct result of Gods will. After that, Gods purpose was fulfilled and sticking around a split second longer would IMHO question Gods infinity and completeness. If there would be any further need for God, then Gods work would not be complete and infinite. Ergo, the Universe as it is contains all the answers.

I think this is what Einstein called "cosmic religious feeling".

It doesn't matter if you understand that or not. It doesn't matter if you understand where in all that my moral standards are rooted and why I don't need a book telling me what good morals are. As long as we all live and let live in accordance to the law, we can all get along.

Although I am grateful for what God did, there is clearly nothing left where I could send a prayer to. Prayer for me would be nothing but verbalizing my hopes for myself. I can do that without God. This is very similar to being grateful and thanking the fore fathers and veterans and many others for what they did for us. Being grateful for what they did is one thing. Asking for more, instead of realizing that their sacrifice puts the moral duty onto us to continue the fight, is nothing but selfish.

"Hopefully He will [reveal himself to me]" is asking for more action from God. That is very different from what Christians actually ask of God and tells me that you, Chuck, still have far to go in understanding Christianity.


Jan

[chucksniper]

Originally Posted by MostlyHarmless

While creating the infinite Universe as it needed to be created, including all that was, is or ever will be, Gods will was imprinted in the very fabric of this Universe because the Universe is the direct result of Gods will. After that, Gods purpose was fulfilled and sticking around a split second longer would IMHO question Gods infinity and completeness. If there would be any further need for God, then Gods work would not be complete and infinite. Ergo, the Universe as it is contains all the answers.

I think this is what Einstein called "cosmic religious feeling".

It doesn't matter if you understand that or not. It doesn't matter if you understand where in all that my moral standards are rooted and why I don't need a book telling me what good morals are. As long as we all live and let live in accordance to the law, we can all get along.

Although I am grateful for what God did, there is clearly nothing left where I could send a prayer to. Prayer for me would be nothing but verbalizing my hopes for myself. ?????I can do that without God.?????? This is very similar to being grateful and thanking the fore fathers and veterans and many others for what they did for us. Being grateful for what they did is one thing. Asking for more, instead of realizing that their sacrifice puts the moral duty onto us to continue the fight, is nothing but selfish.

"Hopefully He will [reveal himself to me]" is asking for more action from God. That is very different from what Christians actually ask of God and tells me that you, Chuck, still have far to go in understanding Christianity.


Jan

"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." John 15:5

[mythaeus]

Originally Posted by chucksniper

"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." John 15:5

If you think knowing how to use Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V makes you a man of the Lord, those Kinko guys must all be bishops. Get over it.

Al

[Morel42]

Originally Posted by chucksniper

"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." John 15:5

Clue #43,203 that a thread has lost all value: When people start replying with only a Bible passage.

It's not that I mind religion.. Or people of faith.. Or the ones who worship the holy noodle God.. It's when the loudest among them don't have even a superficial knowledge of the own Holy book, their religions history, or the basic foundations of their entire faith.. It. Drives. Me. NUTS..

Those 10 commandments that people scream about? They're not the Fing 10 commandments.. Even in the BIBLE the 10 commandments are listed differently depending on what book you're reading (Exodus 20:2–17, or Deuteronomy 5:6–21 or even Exodus 34:11–27) So the people you see marching in front demonstrating with little pictures of the 2 tablets.. Aren't even the correct listing.. It's totally, and completely ANNOYING.. lol

BTW, in case your interested. Here is the oldest (in original Hebrew and Latin) bible ever discovered.
It contains some... How shall we say, "differences" from the King James version. It's actually pretty fascinating..

[camper]

Originally Posted by Morel42

BTW, in case your interested. Here is the oldest (in original Hebrew and Latin) bible ever discovered.
It contains some... How shall we say, "differences" from the King James version. It's actually pretty fascinating..

To be fair, those differences are not 'earth shattering', but all in all relatively minor and many of the disputed 'missing' books in the KJV are missing due to other questions of authenticity and origination (Maccabees, Tobit, etc being examples).

Granted, I've only read the cliff notes on the codex and while it is definitely very interesting it does more to confirm what is found in the King James (or any other modern bible) than it does to discredit them.

It's actually considered a reference document, and has been known about for centuries so this is not a 'new finding', it's just available online.

But as has been said from before I stopped checking this thread for updates (haven't found out how to unsubscribe, and when they turn into mock fests they're tiresome to read), every belief system has an element of faith to it. Even disbelief has that very same element of faith.

camper

[MostlyHarmless]

Originally Posted by chucksniper

"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." John 15:5

Being part of God's creation logically means that without God having created this Universe, I could do nothing. How does this prove that God is still part of THIS REALITY and that prayer has any purpose other than verbalizing our thoughts, fears and hopes for ourselves?


Jan

PS: Don't worry folks, I really don't have anything better to do at this moment. I'm waiting for a test run of a data migration tool to finish in another virtual machine on this netbook. So I'm basically juggling with half a dozen software pieces, I develop in parallel, and don't want to distract myself any more with other code or real work.

[chucksniper]

Originally Posted by MostlyHarmless

Being part of God's creation logically means that without God having created this Universe, I could do nothing.

Jan How does this prove that God is still part of THIS REALITY and that prayer has any purpose other than verbalizing our thoughts, fears and hopes for ourselves?


I am here to glorify God... that means God's was, is and always will be part of this reality... "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God." 1st Corinthians 10:31... Since the Holy spirit is a person that means He is still part of this reality.



PS: Don't worry folks, I really don't have anything better to do at this moment. I'm waiting for a test run of a data migration tool to finish in another virtual machine on this netbook. So I'm basically juggling with half a dozen software pieces, I develop in parallel, and don't want to distract myself any more with other code or real work.

I am here to glorify God... that means God's was, is and always will be part of this reality... "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God." 1st Corinthians 10:31... Since the Holy spirit is a person that means He is still part of this reality.

[goofin]

Since the Holy spirit is a person that means He is still part of this reality.

step away from the crack pipe.you are a fool if you only offer up scripture for a post. even the oxygen waster obama supporter can come up with a better plot than you when arguing a point. no matter how pointless it really is

[chucksniper]

Mostlyhammerless wrote.... "Hopefully He will [reveal himself to me]" is asking for more action from God. That is very different from what Christians actually ask of God and tells me that you, Chuck, still have far to go in understanding Christianity.

Ephesians 1:4.." According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love."