2007 Assault Gun Ban:

[glock27owner]

Here is something I ran across. I am sure most of you are wondering what the law would include. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news:


http://www.uwm.edu/People/schulzed/

The Semi-Automatic Rifles That are Banned by the Proposed 2007 United States Gun Ban
This site is created to show what semi-automatic rifles would be banned if the 2007 assault rifle ban would be passed. At the time this web site was created, the bill was stalled in congress. The bill is known as McCarthy's Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007 or H.R. 1022. It is proposed and supported mainly by the Democrats. This bill is similar to the 1994 assault weapons ban, also known as the Clinton gun ban, which expired in 2004. The only difference between the two bills is that the new ban would make millions of more guns illegal. According to the NRA's web site the ban would include all guns banned by the Clinton ban plus the following.

"• Every gun made to comply with the Clinton ban. (The Clinton ban dictated the kinds of grips, stocks and attachments new guns could have. Manufacturers modified new guns to the Clinton requirements. H.R. 1022 would ban the modified guns too.)

• Guns exempted by the Clinton ban. (Ruger Mini-14s and -30s and Ranch Rifles; .30 cal. carbines; and fixed-magazine, semi-automatic, center-fire rifles that hold more than 10 rounds.)

• All semi-automatic shotguns. (E.g., Remington, Winchester, Beretta and Benelli, used for hunting, sport shooting, and self-defense. H.R. 1022 would ban them because they have “any characteristic that can function as a grip,” and would also ban their main component, called the “receiver.”)

• All detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles-including, for example, the ubiquitous Ruger 10/22 .22 rimfire-because they have “any characteristic that can function as a grip.”

• Target shooting rifles. (E.g., the three centerfire rifles most popular for marksmanship competitions: the Colt AR-15, the Springfield M1A and the M1 “Garand.”)

• Any semi-automatic shotgun or rifle an Attorney General one day claims isn’t “sporting,” even though the constitutions of the U.S. and 44 states, and the laws of all 50 states, recognize the right to use guns for defense.

• 65 named guns (the Clinton law banned 19 by name); semi-auto fixed-magazine pistols of over 10 rounds capacity; and frames, receivers and parts used to repair or refurbish guns.

H.R. 1022 would also ban the importation of magazines exempted by the Clinton ban, ban the sale of a legally-owned “assault weapon” with a magazine of over 10 rounds capacity, and begin backdoor registration of guns, by requiring private sales of banned guns, frames, receivers and parts to be conducted through licensed dealers. Finally, whereas the Clinton Gun Ban was imposed for a 10-year trial period, H.R. 1022 would be a permanent ban."

Clearly many more guns would be included in this new ban. One of the biggest arguments of the new ban is that the ban does not reduce much crime. According to FOXNews.com, "The banned guns were seldom used in crime to begin with. A 1995 Clinton administration study found that less than 1 percent of state and federal inmates carried “military-type” semi-automatic guns (a much broader set of guns than those banned by the law) for crimes they committed during the early 1990s before the ban. A similar 1997 survey showed no reduction in this type of gun crime after the ban"(FoxNews.com). It is clearly documented that "the banned guns were seldom used in crime to begin with. A 1995 Clinton administration study found that less than 1 percent of state and federal inmates carried “military-type” semi-automatic guns (a much broader set of guns than those banned by the law) for crimes they committed during the early 1990s before the ban. A similar 1997 survey showed no reduction in this type of crime gun after the ban"(FoxNews.com).

Another critisism about the ban is " that the ban's proponents know nothing about guns" (FoxNews.com). It is mostlikely safe to say that most of these polititian have never even fired a gun in there lives.



Here is an excerpt from the bill that explains what a semi-automatic assault rifle will be considered:

"`(A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates thereof:

`(i) AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR;

`(ii) AR-10;

`(iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;

`(iv) AR70;

`(v) Calico Liberty;

`(vi) Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU;

`(vii) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC;

`(viii) Hi-Point Carbine;

`(ix) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, or HK-PSG-1;

`(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;

`(xi) M1 Carbine;

`(xii) Saiga;

`(xiii) SAR-8, SAR-4800;

`(xiv) SKS with detachable magazine;

`(xv) SLG 95;

`(xvi) SLR 95 or 96;

`(xvii) Steyr AUG;

`(xviii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14;

`(xix) Tavor;

`(xx) Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or

`(xxi) Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz)."

Here is another excerpt of the bill:

"`(D) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine, and that has--

`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

`(ii) a threaded barrel;

`(iii) a pistol grip;

`(iv) a forward grip; or

`(v) a barrel shroud.

`(E)(i) Except as provided in clause (ii), a semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

`(ii) Clause (i) shall not apply to an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition."

*Both excerpts are from the GovTrack web site.

[Wild Bill Klinton]

Don't blame me, I voted McCain/Palin

[dc dalton]

Originally Posted by Wild Bill Klinton

Don't blame me, I voted McCain/Palin

HEH, too bad that has nothing to do with it, the current AWB sitting in committee was written by Republicans.

[The_War_Wagon]

I am reminded of the words of President Jackson, who - being an old Indian fighter - was not at ALL pleased with the majority opinion, written by Chief Justice John C. Marshall, in the Cherokee Indians vs. State of Georgia decision of 1831 (locals wanted the Cherokee booted off their land, because gold had been discovered on it - Marshall believed it was a treaty violation to do so).

Jackson replied succinctly - "John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it." And thus began, The Trail of Tears.

The MORALITY of that decision aside (may be tough for some folks to leave it, I know), but we ALL know how wacky the courts are these days, what with scads of crappy KLIN-TON appointees everywhere, and CONgress holding up MOST of Bush's. Next "ban"/confiscation that comes along, will be met - by MOST, I believe - with the same attitude, as Andrew Jackson's. "Now let them enforce it."

WILL America tolerate a "Ruby Ridge," not in faraway rural Idaho, but on EVERY STREET CORNER IN AMERICA? Not for LONG, I think...

Bob

[Wild Bill Klinton]

Just wait to see what that knuckleheaded congress woman from New York writes it this time!!!

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by dc dalton

HEH, too bad that has nothing to do with it, the current AWB sitting in committee was written by Republicans.

Where are you getting your information???

HR1022
Sponsor: Rep. Carolyn McCarthy [D-NY]hide cosponsors
Cosponsors [as of 2008-09-27]
Rep. Neil Abercrombie [D-HI]
Rep. Gary Ackerman [D-NY]
Rep. Howard Berman [D-CA]
Rep. Earl Blumenauer [D-OR]
Rep. Robert Brady [D-PA]
Rep. Lois Capps [D-CA]
Rep. Yvette Clarke [D-NY]
Rep. William Clay [D-MO]
Rep. Joseph Crowley [D-NY]
Rep. Diana DeGette [D-CO]
Rep. William Delahunt [D-MA]
Rep. Rahm Emanuel [D-IL]
Rep. Anna Eshoo [D-CA]
Rep. Sam Farr [D-CA]
Rep. Chaka Fattah [D-PA]
Rep. Bob Filner [D-CA]
Rep. Barney Frank [D-MA]
Rep. Raul Grijalva [D-AZ]
Rep. Jane Harman [D-CA]
Rep. Alcee Hastings [D-FL]
Rep. Mazie Hirono [D-HI]
Rep. Rush Holt [D-NJ]
Rep. Michael Honda [D-CA]
Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee [D-TX]
Rep. Henry Johnson [D-GA]
Rep. Patrick Kennedy [D-RI]
Rep. Dennis Kucinich [D-OH]
Rep. James Langevin [D-RI]
Rep. Barbara Lee [D-CA]
Rep. Zoe Lofgren [D-CA]
Rep. Nita Lowey [D-NY]
Rep. Carolyn Maloney [D-NY]
Rep. Edward Markey [D-MA]
Rep. Doris Matsui [D-CA]
Rep. Betty McCollum [D-MN]
Rep. James McGovern [D-MA]
Rep. Martin Meehan [D-MA]
Rep. Kendrick Meek [D-FL]
Rep. Bradley Miller [D-NC]
Rep. James Moran [D-VA]
Rep. Patrick Murphy [D-PA]
Rep. Jerrold Nadler [D-NY]
Del. Eleanor Norton [D-DC]
Rep. John Olver [D-MA]
Rep. William Pascrell [D-NJ]
Rep. Edward Pastor [D-AZ]
Rep. David Price [D-NC]
Rep. Steven Rothman [D-NJ]
Rep. Janice Schakowsky [D-IL]
Rep. Adam Schiff [D-CA]
Rep. Allyson Schwartz [D-PA]
Rep. Joe Sestak [D-PA]
Rep. Brad Sherman [D-CA]
Rep. Albio Sires [D-NJ]
Rep. Louise Slaughter [D-NY]
Rep. Hilda Solis [D-CA]
Rep. Ellen Tauscher [D-CA]
Rep. John Tierney [D-MA]
Rep. Niki Tsongas [D-MA]
Rep. Christopher Van Hollen [D-MD]
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz [D-FL]
Rep. Diane Watson [D-CA]
Rep. Melvin Watt [D-NC]
Rep. Henry Waxman [D-CA]
Rep. Robert Wexler [D-FL]
Rep. Lynn Woolsey [D-CA]
Rep. Albert Wynn [D-MD]

[BerksCountyDave]

Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot

Where are you getting your information???

HR1022
Sponsor: Rep. Carolyn McCarthy [D-NY]hide cosponsors
Cosponsors [as of 2008-09-27]
Rep. Neil Abercrombie [D-HI]
Rep. Gary Ackerman [D-NY]
Rep. Howard Berman [D-CA]
Rep. Earl Blumenauer [D-OR]
Rep. Robert Brady [D-PA]
Rep. Lois Capps [D-CA]
Rep. Yvette Clarke [D-NY]
Rep. William Clay [D-MO]
Rep. Joseph Crowley [D-NY]
Rep. Diana DeGette [D-CO]
Rep. William Delahunt [D-MA]
Rep. Rahm Emanuel [D-IL]
Rep. Anna Eshoo [D-CA]
Rep. Sam Farr [D-CA]
Rep. Chaka Fattah [D-PA]
Rep. Bob Filner [D-CA]
Rep. Barney Frank [D-MA]
Rep. Raul Grijalva [D-AZ]
Rep. Jane Harman [D-CA]
Rep. Alcee Hastings [D-FL]
Rep. Mazie Hirono [D-HI]
Rep. Rush Holt [D-NJ]
Rep. Michael Honda [D-CA]
Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee [D-TX]
Rep. Henry Johnson [D-GA]
Rep. Patrick Kennedy [D-RI]
Rep. Dennis Kucinich [D-OH]
Rep. James Langevin [D-RI]
Rep. Barbara Lee [D-CA]
Rep. Zoe Lofgren [D-CA]
Rep. Nita Lowey [D-NY]
Rep. Carolyn Maloney [D-NY]
Rep. Edward Markey [D-MA]
Rep. Doris Matsui [D-CA]
Rep. Betty McCollum [D-MN]
Rep. James McGovern [D-MA]
Rep. Martin Meehan [D-MA]
Rep. Kendrick Meek [D-FL]
Rep. Bradley Miller [D-NC]
Rep. James Moran [D-VA]
Rep. Patrick Murphy [D-PA]
Rep. Jerrold Nadler [D-NY]
Del. Eleanor Norton [D-DC]
Rep. John Olver [D-MA]
Rep. William Pascrell [D-NJ]
Rep. Edward Pastor [D-AZ]
Rep. David Price [D-NC]
Rep. Steven Rothman [D-NJ]
Rep. Janice Schakowsky [D-IL]
Rep. Adam Schiff [D-CA]
Rep. Allyson Schwartz [D-PA]
Rep. Joe Sestak [D-PA]
Rep. Brad Sherman [D-CA]
Rep. Albio Sires [D-NJ]
Rep. Louise Slaughter [D-NY]
Rep. Hilda Solis [D-CA]
Rep. Ellen Tauscher [D-CA]
Rep. John Tierney [D-MA]
Rep. Niki Tsongas [D-MA]
Rep. Christopher Van Hollen [D-MD]
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz [D-FL]
Rep. Diane Watson [D-CA]
Rep. Melvin Watt [D-NC]
Rep. Henry Waxman [D-CA]
Rep. Robert Wexler [D-FL]
Rep. Lynn Woolsey [D-CA]
Rep. Albert Wynn [D-MD]

I was wondering the same thing Rich.

[stephpd]

The House bill you're looking at was submitted in 2007. It died in committee, never made it to the floor.

The current AWB bill for 2008 was submitted to committee by 3 Republicans, including my congressman Mike Castle. That bill has stalled in committee and will not make it to the floor.

So we'll have to wait until next year and someone will try submitting another AWB bill.

Can't believe all the folks freaking out on a bill that died over a year ago.

[dc dalton]

Originally Posted by The_War_Wagon

WILL America tolerate a "Ruby Ridge," not in faraway rural Idaho, but on EVERY STREET CORNER IN AMERICA? Not for LONG, I think...

Yup.. exactly my thoughts

[dc dalton]

Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot

Where are you getting your information???

Whoops, didn't see the 'of 2007' ... I am talking about the 2008 version:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-6257