McCain's VP: Gov. Palin is chosen

[PocketProtector]

Originally Posted by J8300

This doesnt even go into that much detail.

Attacks, praise stretch truth at GOP convention

By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer Wed Sep 3, 11:48 PM ET


ST. PAUL, Minn. - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.

Some examples:


MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.
THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.

And "O" was in charge oooooooooooof (drum roll please)
Community Ho's and Drug dealers????????

[J8300]

Originally Posted by PocketProtector

And "O" was in charge oooooooooooof (drum roll please)
Community Ho's and Drug dealers????????

Instead of trying to jump right on Obama, who had nothing to do with this article, and instead of trying to make the facts fit your beliefs, try just looking at what the article says. Try disputing the facts with facts. Then form your beliefs to fit the facts instead of vice versa.

[pennsyltucky]

Originally Posted by J8300

This doesnt even go into that much detail.

Attacks, praise stretch truth at GOP convention

By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer Wed Sep 3, 11:48 PM ET


ST. PAUL, Minn. - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.

Some examples:
PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."
THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."

insinuating she was for the bridge before the national ridicule...which is not the case. they need large sums "per-capita" because of large amounts of land and infrastructure "per-capita". talk about a stretch...

PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform — not even in the state senate."
THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate.

EVERYONE is on board with the idea of keeping nukes from terrorists... BO was nothing but cheering squad for the real senators involved. BTW, BO AGREED WITH BUSH on this legislation....how "evil" is that?

In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.

= nothing. a town study for the aclu and naacp... waste of time. and he "co-sponsored" ethics reform? is he "co-sponsoring" the presidency? c'mon

PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."
THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.
Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.
He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.

he is going to make it next to impossible for small businesses like me to make it. 250,000 is not hard to hit in small business... if 1 guy owns 2 trucks, he will come very close or top 250K/yr. so he is going to make sure that no one gets out of 9-5 work. anyone who strives to get ahead will be punched in the mouth (as if its not bad enuf already).

MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.
THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could as easily have called it the 47th largest state — by population.

again...nothing.

MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.
THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.

ring around the rosie again... trying to belittle, because there's nothing to refute.

FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."
THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.

completely out of context. everyone with a 1/2 brain could figure out the total number would be less. he was refering to %'s. again just belittling...

FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right — change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington — throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."
THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.

bush is so far from a conservative republican this guys tongue should bleed... this is a typical attempt at tying the republican ticket to bush again...they are nothing alike... and you say that mccain voted with bush 90% of the time? of course he did...over 80% of the votes congress makes are unanimous...so your sorry excuse for a nominee voted bush over 80% of the time.... the rest is just BO's partisan socialist politics.

[adymond]

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

If McCain doesn't run again in 2012, assuming they're elected in 2008, I can see and agree with those who have suggested she will run for POTUS with Michael Steele as her VP.

I'll say this again. I want to see a Palin/Steelman (both Sarah) ticket in 2012. Both are hot, both have taken on the establishment, both are conservatives and seem to be throw backs to Regan. Do some digging on Sarah Steelman.

Originally Posted by Swarner793

Boy, that Todd Palin sure is lucky I am happily married

Be safe.

Scott

Is it any wonder they have 5 kids?

[Pector55]

Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot

<crickets>

Don't feed the trolls.

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by J8300

This doesnt even go into that much detail.
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Gee, I wonder why?

This is exactly what I expected to see.

Some are not even on the topic (example, last one).
Some are intentionally misleading... More of the same-old "tax the rich". Who, pray tell do you think pays the increase of taxes on the "rich" (read: companies) make up for those taxes? Ans: consumers (everyone).

I loved the quote last night of comparing Obama's tax plan as telling you "not to worry, we are only taking more water out of this side of the bucket"

Back to the posted piece.... If that's the best they can do, I'm not worried at all.
More desperation by the left.

[adymond]

Originally Posted by Pector55

I'm not sure. I think they will continue to attack her to try to be the only rock stars. There are many states which are within +/-3-5 pts so this may be a tight election unless someone does something really stupid or some more dirt can be dug up somewhere.

Interestingly, McCain was gaining ground, then between the convention and announcing a VP which the majority of people were not familar with, Obama pulled away a little. I believe she will definitely get some on the right to come out to vote but am not sure how well she will pull a lot of independents. This might just come down to the debates.

I saw a poll this morning that gave her something like a 15 point bump among the independants after her speach. I think many people (men and women) will be able identify with her because she seems like a REAL person. She is passionate about actually doing SOMETHING and she can give details and examples of her plans and past successes.

[adymond]

Originally Posted by Emptymag

Heh Heh Heh... I laughed my evil, conservative ass off at that one.


I just got a McCain yard sign tonight. I need to trade it in for a McCain/Palin sign, pronto.

Is that a Glenn Beck reference?

Where did you get the sign? I need to pick one up. Did anyone else see the story last night (I forget who ran it) that went to Alaska and interviewed people who were pissed about how her experience has been belittled because it is "only Alaska?"

[Pector55]

Originally Posted by adymond

Is that a Glenn Beck reference?

Where did you get the sign? I need to pick one up. Did anyone else see the story last night (I forget who ran it) that went to Alaska and interviewed people who were pissed about how her experience has been belittled because it is "only Alaska?"

No but I did see the awesome brilliance of P Diddy on Beck last night. OMG, I couldn't believe how ignorant Beck made him... (scratch that) how ignorant Diddy made himself look. He later apologized to Alaska.

Did you guys hear McCain was coming to Lancaster? I missed him in York but if I can, I want to go to Lancaster.

[ChamberedRound]

Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot

Cnn? ... C-Span?

Only way to watch something like this is on Fox

Laura Ingram is on now.

Forget Fox, forget CNN, MSNBC, etc. I watched on PBS. Some of the shows there are IMHO the last bastions of objective, responsible journalism and a place where ALL the candidates (even guys like Kucinich and Paul) were given the opportunity and the time to discuss their views.