McCain's VP: Gov. Palin is chosen

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by jpavoncello

Hope you all got to watch her speech tonight, she was outstanding! Not only did she solidify herself with the Republican party, she out and out bashed the competition into the ground. I loved the "after he parts the waters and cures the planet" comment.

I loved that comment, and every other comment she made directed at Obama/Biden.

I think her comments were well founded and straight forward. They were not baseless and irrelevant like the attacks on Palin's daughter.

Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot

Any hope Hitlary had for a future career just went down the shitter.

She would/will not stand a chance against this firecracker in 2012 or 2016

That is for d*mn sure.

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by soup

Anyone else notice that CNN labeled McCain as the Democratic Nominee when AZ cast their votes?

CNN is a joke. I had to turn that crap off and put C-SPAN on because I didn't want to see/hear anything from Paul Begala or any of the other morons.

[Pa. Patriot]

Cnn? ... C-Span?

Only way to watch something like this is on Fox

Laura Ingram is on now.

[str8shooter]

Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot

Cnn? ... C-Span?

Only way to watch something like this is on Fox

Laura Ingram is on now.

Not me, I'm waiting for the real unbiased commentary on SNL !

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot

Cnn? ... C-Span?

Only way to watch something like this is on Fox

Laura Ingram is on now.

C-SPAN has no interruption has had no commentary. Fox, at least hear, isn't covering. It's either C-SPAN or MSNBC...

[exceltoexcel]

Most polls do not even remotely reflect the population until a few weeks prior.

Mostly because to get the sample size required to reflect the distribution of the united states are large.

People argue that if you just have enough numbers for a statistical test that you've done enough. The problem is that you need to get enough of each subgroup. i.e. enough married black catholics age 21-25 with one child. Once you do that the differences often become much smaller.

IMO...

If you want an idea of how off these polls are, Kerry was supposed to beat GWB (if I'm not mistaken) up until two months prior to the election! Some polls showed Kerry winning outright every week.

check out the map of predictions.

http://election.loquacious.org/2004-presidential/

Ignore the polls, they aren't close. Typically a 5% swing towards a democrat in "battleground" states. So if you read 50/45 dem, it's 50/50. If you see 51/45 dem then that state is probably going dem. Count the points between!!! that is what matters >5 it is usually locked. Otherwise it means nothing...


This guy is clearly a democrat, he's been off every election but I give him credit for trying to get it more accurate every election. I have been following him for a while. http://www.electoral-vote.com/

I have McCain winning by 273 to 278, and believe it or not I see PA in play!!

IMO the real battleground states this year are Nevada and Colorado. However if McCain could win PA he walks in regardless of states.

I'm not concerned about Ohio or Florida or Virginia this time around.

Nevada scares me, Colorado is a concern. New hampshire is a big surprise, I think he's going to win there.

I'm upset about Iowa, looks like I got that one wrong.

Thank god for New Hampshire, if that doesn't come through we might be looking at Obama for at least four years. Every sort of doomsday scenario I play gets a freaking tie which means, well, forgetaboutit...

[steelmover]

Just thinking about the possibility of waking up on the 5th and hearing president elect barrack hussein obama puts a sick feeling in my stomach. I think im gonna throw up

[J8300]

It will be interesting when her speech is fact checked and rebutted in regards to what she has done.

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by J8300

It will be interesting when her speech is fact checked and rebutted in regards to what she has done.

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[J8300]

Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot

<crickets>

This doesnt even go into that much detail.

Attacks, praise stretch truth at GOP convention

By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer Wed Sep 3, 11:48 PM ET


ST. PAUL, Minn. - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.

Some examples:
PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."
THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."


PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform — not even in the state senate."
THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.


PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."
THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.
Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.
He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.


MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.
THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could as easily have called it the 47th largest state — by population.


MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.
THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.


FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."
THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.


FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right — change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington — throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."
THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.