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Pro-Life and Gun rights are not comparable at all. One is a constitutional right and one is currently a legal concept with a basis in faith. As you have seen on this forum, not everyone's principles are faith-based here. You are trying to show some sort of hypocrisy when the issues are completely different.

Me, for example.. I personally don't care if gays get married. I also don't believe in abortion but the abortion issue does not steer my vote at all. Many moderates, like myself, don't get hung up on social issues like that. I look at lots of porn and had lots of sex out of wedlock and would gladly admit it.
The issues may have different legalities but I am talking about principles. Comparatively they are they same, except you cant really strip everyone of sexual organs. BTW the correct term is anti-abortion, not pro-life.

I know not all of you think the same, which is why I directed my question to people who hold those beliefs. There is hypocrisy if you saw enough to mention it. The same way lots of anti-abortion people are pro-death penalty. Isnt one of their slogans "all life is precious" or did I misread/hear "all life is precious unless youre a convicted criminal who is quite possibly innocent and someone else wants you to die".

Both issues are hypocritical.

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The issues may have different legalities but I am talking about principles. Comparatively they are they same, except you cant really strip everyone of sexual organs. BTW the correct term is anti-abortion, not pro-life.

I know not all of you think the same, which is why I directed my question to people who hold those beliefs. There is hypocrisy if you saw enough to mention it. The same way lots of anti-abortion people are pro-death penalty. Isnt one of their slogans "all life is precious" or did I misread/hear "all life is precious unless youre a convicted criminal who is quite possibly innocent and someone else wants you to die".

Both issues are hypocritical.
I don't agree that they are hypocritical at all. If you want peace, you get rid of the schitballs who feel the need to cause harm. Many conservatives are both pro-life and anti-death penalty. Some folks feel as though babies are innocent so you are killing innocent but the death penalty is warranted because you are ridding the world of people who wish to kill innocent.

Continuing the matrix, there are some who feel as if it's OK to kill a baby but protect murderers. Then there are those who just wish to kill everything.

The biggest hypocrisy is #3 in my humble opinion but that's just me. It just seems to be the most bizarre scenario possible.
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What 'core conservatives' today believe in these things?
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She just announced that her 17 year old daughter is pregnant. She will keep the baby and will marry the baby's father, identified only as Levi.


To rebut rumors, Palin says daughter, 17, pregnant

Mon Sep 1, 2008 6:07pm EDT

By Steve Holland

ST. PAUL (Reuters) - The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said on Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.

Bristol Palin, one of Alaska Gov. Palin's five children with her husband, Todd, is about five months pregnant and is going to keep the child and marry the father, the Palins said in a statement released by the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

Bristol Palin made the decision on her own to keep the baby, McCain aides said.

"We have been blessed with five wonderful children who we love with all our heart and mean everything to us," the Palins' statement said.

"Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support," the Palins said.

The Palins asked the news media to respect the young couple's privacy.

"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media, respect our daughter and Levi's privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates," the statement concluded.

MCCAIN KNEW

Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter's pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way.

In the short period since she was announced last Friday, Palin has helped to energize the Republican Party's conservative base, giving the McCain camp fresh energy going into the campaign for the November 4 election against Democrat Barack Obama.

McCain officials said the news of the daughter's pregnancy was being released to rebut what one aide called "mud-slinging and lies" circulating on liberal blog sites.

According to these rumors, Sarah Palin had faked a pregnancy and pretended to have given birth in May to her fifth child, a son named Trig who has Down syndrome. The rumor was that Trig was actually Bristol Palin's child and that Sarah Palin was the grandmother.

A senior McCain campaign official said the McCain camp was appalled that these rumors had not only been spread around liberal blog sites and partisan Democrats, but also were the subject of heightened interest from mainstream news media.

"The despicable rumors that have been spread by liberal blogs, some even with Barack Obama's name in them, is a real anchor around the Democratic ticket, pulling them down in the mud in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their 'campaign of change,'" a senior aide said.
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Interesting news.

Bristol is "about 5 months pregnant". Trig IS 4 months old. When I went to the doctor with my wife during her pregnancies the doctors didnt give us "about" as an answer to how far along it was. I will be interested to see "about" when she actually has this child or if more specific info is released on how far along.
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Interesting news.

Bristol is "about 5 months pregnant". Trig IS 4 months old. When I went to the doctor with my wife during her pregnancies the doctors didnt give us "about" as an answer to how far along it was. I will be interested to see "about" when she actually has this child or if more specific info is released on how far along.
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You don't see it? Trig is really the daughter's baby but they pulled it out 8 months early and claimed it was the moms. They shove it in the daughter when they don't need it for photo ops. We just think Trig is 4 months old. It's really 4 months away from being born.
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