McCain's VP: Gov. Palin is chosen

[ShakeyDad]

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That is fine. I know there are lots of independent thinkers on this board, but they arent a majority.
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Bold is mine

Hey str8shooter, is this what you were talking about ? How one person believes the majority of us are sheep who follow the heard ? This is possibly one of thee most laughable statements I have ever had the mispleasure to read on this forum, and trust me, there has been a lot of misinformed, laughable, unintelligent shit spouted from the blow holes of the ignorant and arrogant. I do and will vote with my conciense not just follow the masses who prefer to vote just because of a letter next to some one's name. That's absurd. That's the equivelent of saying that somebody would vote for Satan himself just because he was republican, or whatever.



Thanks for the info, str8, I didn't know how stupid I was until I heard this guy tell me I was !!

Now, back to my popcorn, six-pack, and CD of Molly Hatchett

[str8shooter]

[quote=ShakeyDad;408856]

Originally Posted by J8300

That is fine. I know there are lots of independent thinkers on this board, but they arent a majority.
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Bold is mine

Hey str8shooter, is this what you were talking about ? How one person believes the majority of us are sheep who follow the heard ? This is possibly one of thee most laughable statements I have ever had the mispleasure to read on this forum, and trust me, there has been a lot of misinformed, laughable, unintelligent shit spouted from the blow holes of the ignorant and arrogant. I do and will vote with my conciense not just follow the masses who prefer to vote just because of a letter next to some one's name. That's absurd. That's the equivelent of saying that somebody would vote for Satan himself just because he was republican, or whatever.



Thanks for the info, str8, I didn't know how stupid I was until I heard this guy tell me I was !!

Now, back to my popcorn, six-pack, and CD of Molly Hatchett

Yeah baby, Flirtin with disaster, sums it this year's election don't it.

[J8300]

[quote=ShakeyDad;408856]

Originally Posted by J8300

That is fine. I know there are lots of independent thinkers on this board, but they arent a majority.
QUOTE]


Bold is mine

Hey str8shooter, is this what you were talking about ? How one person believes the majority of us are sheep who follow the heard ? This is possibly one of thee most laughable statements I have ever had the mispleasure to read on this forum, and trust me, there has been a lot of misinformed, laughable, unintelligent shit spouted from the blow holes of the ignorant and arrogant. I do and will vote with my conciense not just follow the masses who prefer to vote just because of a letter next to some one's name. That's absurd. That's the equivelent of saying that somebody would vote for Satan himself just because he was republican, or whatever.



Thanks for the info, str8, I didn't know how stupid I was until I heard this guy tell me I was !!

Now, back to my popcorn, six-pack, and CD of Molly Hatchett

I did say you would all deny it. Funny enough its ok to call gun control advocates and other groups sheep but crazy talk when its directed at you.

[J8300]

Originally Posted by nijwnfi

Lets get to the bottom of this now. J8300, you've spent a lot of time going on and on about the negative points of Sarah Palin. Please enlighten us. Tell the unwashed masses, who do you support? With all the great research you do, there has to be someone, lets hear it.

Ron Paul, even with his xtian views.

[J8300]

Originally Posted by str8shooter

Well when your underground sources go public with the details, do tell us what it's all about. No need for all that long winded substantiated proof. if you're the one with the rumor or speculation, that's good enough for me. And if anyone denies it, we'll just make them cough up a dozen credible sources. After all, this is America and accusation is 9/10's of the law. Hey, that's 90%, so it's also related to the Milgram Experiments. I've just proven your rumor is a scientific fact. I should be on Jeopardy.

In the aftermath of the Walt Monegan firing, one question keeps surfacing over and over again; why does the governor's husband, Todd Palin appear to hold so much power?
After all, Nancy Murkowski or Susan Knowles were never accused of pressuring a commissioner or inappropriately sitting in on meetings that should have been private.
The stories started last year when Representative Ralph Samuels told me about going into a meeting, he thought would be private, with Governor Sarah Palin. Much to his surprise, Todd Palin was there and proceeded to sit through the entire meeting.
Other lawmakers have shared similar stories and were shocked at how inappropriate Todd's presence was at meetings with the governor. Yesterday on the Dan Fagan Show, Representative Jay Ramras mentioned that Todd was working lawmakers offices during the ACES debate.

But more importantly, Todd's fingerprints on trying to impact personnel decisions appear to go beyond the current scandal revolving around State Trooper Mike Wooten.

Consider the story of one of Governor Palin's former trusted advisors, John Bitney.
Bitney grew up with the governor, often telling the story of being in the same band class. He served as her Issues Coordinator during her successful gubernatorial campaign in 2006, spokesman for her transition team after the election and on December 1, 2006 he was named her Legislative Liaison.
Bitney was respected as a hard worker by people who knew him and worked with him. In six months, Bitney guided the governor's policies through the legislature, including her hallmark legislation; AGIA.

But John Bitney made the fatal employment mistake; he got on the bad side of Todd Palin.

In June of 2007, it became known that Bitney was dating the soon to be ex-wife of Todd Palin's good friend. Palin reportedly began demanding that Bitney be fired.
After a short time, Bitney realized that he couldn't remain in the governor's office due to the constant pressure and he worked out a deal with Chief of Staff Mike Tibbles to take a transfer to another department.
On July 3, Bitney was in the process of driving his vehicle back to Juneau when he couldn't get his state issued Blackberry to work. When he arrived in Tok he called his office and was told that his Blackberry had been turned off and that his name had been removed from the state employee directory.
His call was then transferred into Tibbles who told him the proposal they talked about was a no deal and the governor ordered him fired immediately. John Bitney was never given a reason why he was fired and never given a chance to make a graceful exit.

However reading the press statements from the Palin administration, you'd think otherwise.

According to the APRN on July 9, 2007, Governor Palin's spokeswomen Sharon Leighow said Bitney left for "personal reasons" and the departure was "amicable."
The Associated Press reported on July 10, 2007, "A spokeswoman for the governor says Bitney and Palin mutually agreed he would leave his post for personal reasons."
Bitney didn't leave his post, he was unfairly and unceremoniously fired and even after serving as a loyal employee was never given an answer as to why he was dismissed by the governor.
According to Bitney, "Todd's words have so much weight".
Confidential Emails
The most alarming indication of Todd Palin's reach into state government came just yesterday.
Last month, a group of Alaskans filed a freedom of information act for emails sent from the computers of both Frank Bailey and Ivey Frye. Along with several boxes of documents, they received a cover letter along with 78 pages detailing the emails that were not released due to "Deliberative Process and Executive Privilege". (Privilege log attached)

Page 1 of the list showed seven emails from both Governor Sarah Palin and Lt. Governor Sean Parnell within a three hour time frame on Feburary 1, 2008 that were described as "Email re Andrew Halcro".

The serious concern about these emails is that they were prohibited from being released to the public due to executive privilege, even though Todd Palin was copied on these same emails.
Todd Palin is not a member of the executive branch, nor is he even a government employee. Todd Palin is a member of the general public.

So why in the world is Todd Palin getting copied on emails that his wife's administration is classifying as confidential?
Furthermore there is something incredibly suspicious about these emails.

The first email was sent on Feburary 1 at 7:41am from Lt. Governor Sean Parnell to Governor Sarah Palin. Obviously something was burning Parnell to make him fire off an email to the governor so early in the morning about Andrew Halcro. This in turn set off a flurry of email activity that spanned the next three hours and encompassed five different people including Todd Palin.
Judging from the blogs I posted on January 31, the night before, this very well could be about the 2004 TransCanada proposal that Parnell help negotiate when he was an attorney in the oil & gas division that has been kept sealed ever since. TransCanada has insisted to this day that it remain confidential.
These emails should be released to the public...after all Todd Palin has no standing to claim executive privilege. By including him in the email loop, the Palin administration has arguably breached any claim of executive privilege.

After all, government can't pick and choose what private citizens get to see confidential material, that is exactly why freedom of information laws exist.

The attached print out clearly shows that something drove this administration into overdrive, hence the seven emails in under three hours. Since the executive privilege has been breached by sending them to Todd Palin, this administration should release those emails so all Alaskans can see them.
This is yet another example of why we need to get to the facts about how power is being used in the governor's office.

http://www.andrewhalcro.com/shadow_governor

I have no idea who Andrew is or whether this is even substantiated but there it is. It will be interesting to see what comes of this and the other accusation.

[exceltoexcel]

Ron Raul/ Palin in 8 years

[exceltoexcel]

I'll sum it up

Some trooper tazed a 11 yearo old kid, illegally killed a moose, and in general is a huge asshole that you wouldn't want serving on your police force.

Palin had a personal connection to the trooper and knew him to be a huge ass.

Palin said the trooper is an ass and he should be canned.

Dude didn't fire trooper, palin canned dude.

Don't see a problem with that at all.

[J8300]

The 11yo was his son who asked to be tazed from what I read.

[Kenshin]

If anyone has mentioned this before i apologize it is hard to read 18 pages before you run to work. I really enjoy this whole thing not only do we have a decent chance of winning but to me both both McCain and Palin have given something to this country.

McCain almost gave his life for the country, he has a son who is serving in Iraq, and Palin is doing great with 5 kids one who is a newborn w/Downs syndrome and also has a son who will be deployed to Iraq this Sept. 11th. She is about as pro-family as it gets. I'm sorry but show me what Obama has given for this country. What has he sacrificed? What is he going to sacrifice? And show me a reason why this country that has stood for over 200 years needs to be changed.

[nijwnfi]

The 11yo asked to be tasered. Alrighty then. What if he asked to be thrown off a 100ft cliff? Just because they ask doesn't mean ya do it. Pretty lame defense. Thanks J8300 for your quick response on who you support. I can't fault Ron Paul, I just can't find it in my heart to vote for another Perot, I did that once already. Not that they are alike, just a similar situation. Go ahead Ronbots, flame away.