McCain's VP: Gov. Palin is chosen

[StealthBeast]

Originally Posted by ChamberedRound

Wow dude, that has to be one of the most sexist things I've seen posted in awhile. You, like all the rest of us, have absolutely NO IDEA what her personal situation is. And while I could be wrong, I doubt very highly that statement would have been made if she were a man with 5 kids.

Let's take a brief stroll down President's Lane and look at all the presidents that have had 5 or more kids:

John Adams - 5
Thomas Jefferson - 6
William Harrison - 10
John Tyler - 15 (by 2 wives)
Zachary Taylor - 6
Andrew Johnson - 5
Rutherford B. Hayes - 8
James Garfield - 7
Grover Cleveland - 7
Theodore Roosevelt - 6 (by 2 wives)
Franklin Delano Roosevelt - 6
George H. W. Bush - 6

Citation: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0194051.html

I think there's more than a few presidents on that list that did an admirable job.

Great point, 180'd my viewpoint.

Don't call me sexist, I'm not, it's silly to assume that I am on the basis that all other male presidents have also done the same thing just fine.. considering all presidents have been male so far.

I didn't know it was so common to have half a baker's dozen of kids and be the president of one of the most powerful nations of the planet.

[str8shooter]

Originally Posted by J8300

Oooh a conspiracy theory.

What agenda would that be? Is this part of the conspiracy you spoke of? Or are you just presuming to know why I'm doing something when I havent stated any reason? Do as you say not as you do?

Originally Posted by J8300

I'm starting to wonder if McCains choice of VP is part of another strategy. Given her current situation with the state probe for misconduct which I'm sure McCain and all his advisors already knew about, what are the chances he will keep her thru the whole election? What if the real strategy is to spring a diff VP candidate on the Dems 'at the last minute' when he has to drop her?

I see you got your own little conspiracy theory going too.

Originally Posted by J8300

That is fine. I know there are lots of independent thinkers on this board, but they arent a majority.

Imagine, being a member of a board where many people hold similar ideals and beliefs as me, thank you for pointing out what a moron I am.

Originally Posted by J8300

Should I go troll somewhere else or am I entitled to my opinion?

umm, I choose A

Maybe you'll find one where that's not overloaded with ditto heads as you just stated this one is, and they won't mind your insults resulting from the comments of a few, but directed at the membership in general.

[NineseveN]

Originally Posted by J8300

Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin wants creationism taught in science classes. In a 2006 gubernatorial debate, the soon-to-be governor of Alaska trotted out the usual creationist education canard: "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of education. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools."

The quote was wrongly attributed by me. When I read it earlier I thought it was in quotes but it's not.

Right, she was answering a question, which she clarified her feelings the very next day. I already quoted it for you, but in case you missed it, I'll quote it again.

Originally Posted by Sarah Palin

"I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state's required curriculum.

Members of the state school board, which sets minimum requirements, are appointed by the governor and confirmed by the Legislature.

"I won't have religion as a litmus test, or anybody's personal opinion on evolution or creationism,"

While I feel that she's wrong on the issue personally, what she said and what she's done as Governor on the topic is not represented by the actions and viewpoint you've attributed to her by quoting one select statement and not really reaching out for any further confirmation of her views, and more importantly, how she's governed in respect to those views. If you want to argue otherwise, then you need to find some proof and post it. You raised that bar already, now I'm going to hold you to it.

Its not invalid. Being pro-life by itself is not positive news in my eyes. Women have a right to choose. As far as being pro-death I dont know yet but they usually go hand in hand with conservatives.

Oh no you don't, you're not getting off that easy. You said, specifically, "Not to mention most pro-lifers are pro death penalty and I hate hypocrisy", yet earlier you used the rationale that since other politicians who have been subject to probes are not Sarah Palin, that point is not valid, it doesn't count. Again, you raised the bar, now I'm going to hold you to it.

[str8shooter]

Originally Posted by StealthBeast

Are you suggesting that bush was a good president? lol

check.

Are you suggesting Janet Reno would be?

[ChamberedRound]

Originally Posted by StealthBeast

Great point, 180'd my viewpoint.

Don't call me sexist, I'm not, it's silly to assume that I am on the basis that all other male presidents have also done the same thing just fine.. considering all presidents have been male so far.

I didn't know it was so common to have half a baker's dozen of kids and be the president of one of the most powerful nations of the planet.

I didn't call you sexist, I said it was a sexist comment; there is a difference. And it's exactly because the previous presidents were all male that I listed them. They all had 5 kids or more (like Sarah Palin) and I'd bet, although I admit I can't prove it, that there was ever any serious discussion on their suitability or capability as a president because of their families or the number of children they had.

[NineseveN]

Originally Posted by J8300

So she is tough on corruption that isnt her own? Seriously how can someone be touted as tough on corruption and then be on the brink of being charged themselves? And does one example qualify one as tough?

So she's guilty due to a probe? What corruption is hers, that which she has been accused, but not yet convicted of? Well hell, I mean, if that's the bar, then let's hear who your candidate is...or who you think is worthy of our vote. This is gonna be good.

[J8300]

Well nine Im not trying to get off anything easily. They are both separate issues, I was merely clearing up my beliefs on one of them. I did however lump them together in that instance and so far she does appear to be pro-death penalty, but I have yet to find a source I would definitely quote.

[StealthBeast]

Originally Posted by ChamberedRound

I didn't call you sexist, I said it was a sexist comment; there is a difference.

Don't give me any of that, "Oh i didn't call you stupid i said stop acting stupid" lol

[Pector55]

Originally Posted by J8300

Well nine Im not trying to get off anything easily. They are both separate issues, I was merely clearing up my beliefs on one of them. I did however lump them together in that instance and so far she does appear to be pro-death penalty, but I have yet to find a source I would definitely quote.

Pro-Life and Pro-Death is not hypocrisy considering one is innocent and one is guilty. Hypocrisy is reversing the penalty.

[NineseveN]

Originally Posted by J8300

Well nine Im not trying to get off anything easily. They are both separate issues, I was merely clearing up my beliefs on one of them. I did however lump them together in that instance and so far she does appear to be pro-death penalty, but I have yet to find a source I would definitely quote.

Would her own campaign website from 2006 suffice as recorded by ontheissues?

I support adequate funding for a strong public safety presence in Alaska. Feeling safe in our communities is something we cannot accept any compromise on. This includes policing in all its forms, the court system, prosecutors and corrections. If the legislature passed a death penalty law, I would sign it. We have a right to know that someone who rapes and murders a child or kills an innocent person in a drive by shooting will never be able to do that again.

Source: Campaign website, www.palinforgovernor.com, "Issues" Nov 7, 2006

See, it's not that hard to have a mostly informed opinion, a quick hit on Google and it's the second link down.