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yoshi July 3rd, 2013 01:49 PM

Re: Zimmerman Trial
 
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Originally Posted by GunLawyer001 (Post 2439312)
because they know that nobody will resist.

Precisely why we need to borrow a page from the L.A. Riots and the Koreans.

GunLawyer001 July 3rd, 2013 02:11 PM

Re: Zimmerman Trial
 
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Originally Posted by DClan (Post 2439338)
I can't but wonder what, if any, effect the arrest and grand jury indictment of Angela Corey will have on the trial. Corey has been indicted for falsifying arrest warrants and withholding evidence in connection with the Zimmerman case. If it wasn't for her actions, politically pressured, Zimmerman would not be facing murder charges. You could argue that Zimmerman's trial is the result of false arrest, and he is the victim of malicious prosecution. If he is acquitted, it'll make for a hell of a lawsuit.

http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/p...full&full=true

A "citizens grand jury", eh?

That's not going anywhere. Too bad, because she's a scumbag who's willing to sacrifice a citizen for her own profit.

Curmudgeon July 3rd, 2013 02:30 PM

Re: Zimmerman Trial
 
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Originally Posted by GunLawyer001 (Post 2439359)
A "citizens grand jury", eh?

That's not going anywhere. Too bad, because she's a scumbag who's willing to sacrifice a citizen for her own profit.


Exactly, and that's likely why you haven't seen the media crowing about it. The sensationalism alone would be enough to rise this above agendas and it would get air time. Or something.

I've seen some small discussions about this on other forums and the conventional wisdom is that this is like moot court. All the parts are being played and all the elements are in place, but there is no authority. I have also read that a "citizens grand jury" handed down an indictment on Eric Holder and you can see how that has gone unnoticed.

Shame, because there ought to be a real investigation with real indictments where appropriate. I'll hold my breath.

gidian July 3rd, 2013 03:23 PM

Re: Zimmerman Trial
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DClan (Post 2439338)
I can't but wonder what, if any, effect the arrest and grand jury indictment of Angela Corey will have on the trial. Corey has been indicted for falsifying arrest warrants and withholding evidence in connection with the Zimmerman case. If it wasn't for her actions, politically pressured, Zimmerman would not be facing murder charges. You could argue that Zimmerman's trial is the result of false arrest, and he is the victim of malicious prosecution. If he is acquitted, it'll make for a hell of a lawsuit.

http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/p...full&full=true

Holy Cow! I just read that article.
"OCALA, Fla., July 2, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Florida State's Attorney Angela Corey has been indicted by a citizens' grand jury, convening in Ocala, Florida, over the alleged falsification of the arrest warrant and complaint that lead to George Zimmerman being charged with the second degree murder of African-American teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida."

This would mean that even if GZ gets a conviction, it could all be nullified by the fact that the whole thing was a illegal from the start...

Take care,
--G

ragequit July 3rd, 2013 04:45 PM

Re: Zimmerman Trial
 
That guy's a total quack and has already "indicted" almost everyone under the sun in his imaginary grand juries.

DClan July 3rd, 2013 04:53 PM

Re: Zimmerman Trial
 
While I recognize that a citizens grand jury lacks any real , actionable authority, it is interesting that the claims made via the indictment are reasonably provable. I'll admit, most citizens grand jury's infer and chase unsubstantiated facts as truth, but I think this one hits the bullseye. The conclusions drawn by this "indictment" are both believable and rooted in logic. What they lack in authority seems to be offset by reason, this time anyway.

photoshooter July 3rd, 2013 05:05 PM

Re: Zimmerman Trial
 
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Originally Posted by GunLawyer001 (Post 2439312)
A generation born to entitlement and tutored in how unfair everything is if you don't succeed (or in the case of Michelle Obama, it's still unfair even if you are handed massive wealth and success) is going to riot "because they can". Not because they have to. The Egyptians may riot because they have no other choice. People who riot if their team loses are NOT people forced to riot, they are lawless assholes who will destroy stuff if they think they can get away with it. That's why they swarm convenience stores and loot and pillage, because they know that nobody will resist and they won't all be caught.

This is exactly what I would I would have been saying after the trial but you saved me the trouble. You sir are on my +rep speed dial :D

BobFromBucks July 3rd, 2013 08:01 PM

Re: Zimmerman Trial
 
This judge appears to be in the pocket of the state. Is she "above the law" in that she can continue her extremely biased approach with no potential consequences?

dkf July 3rd, 2013 09:17 PM

Re: Zimmerman Trial
 
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Originally Posted by GunLawyer001 (Post 2439160)
Seemed like it might be going that way...but now I think they're just trying to show that "we did a lot of work on this case" for after the acquittal.

On a related note, there are two conclusions that could be reasonably drawn from GZ having a round in the chamber; on the one hand, it allowed GZ to draw and fire with one hand.

On the other hand, it meant that if Martin had gained control, he could have shot GZ with one hand. If GZ carried with an empty chamber, then Martin would most likely have pointed and pulled the trigger, then had to use both hands to manipulate the gun, check the non-existent safety, figure out why it didn't go BANG. It would give GZ a chance to grab the gun, punch Martin, get that police help that arrived 30 seconds after the shooting (which is unusually prompt, but it happened here, because GZ called before the shooting.)

The wisdom of carrying -1 depends on how the specific encounter goes down.

The prosecution could spin the one handed thing as you mentioned however a smart defense could easily take credibility away from that argument.

Many classes will touch base on racking the slide or clearing a malfunction with one hand. I practice racking the slide using the edge of my pants pocket on the rear sight.

I still think carrying -1 is a bad idea however.

I watched a bit of Fox last night and they were talking about the +1. It was full of fail.

SwampFoxZ71 July 3rd, 2013 10:03 PM

Re: Zimmerman Trial
 
Agree on carrying +1 as felt appropriate, comfortable and as long as deemed safe by the user. I typically carry -1 these days only from the standpoint there are children around me. To me, at this point, it's a safety issue not from anything I feel comfortable with or feel safe by myself with, but thinking of those around me first.

Before worrying about children being around, I carried +1 as I wanted to be fully prepared for any encounter. In my opinion, carrying safely in a state where you're ready to go for any eventuality is optimal.

But again, this should be considered given your surroundings, training, experience, comfort level and if it can be done safely. Truly a personal preference and it will be different from person to person.

Just as there is no perfect gun, there is no perfect way to carry either as it's all about what works for you, your situation and what can be done with safety first.

JMO


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