The Other Side of Barack Obama

[addicted2freedom]

McCain the Fraud Part 1 and McCain the Fraud Part 2

[billamj]

As I've said numerous times before, I can't stomach the idea of Obama or Hitlery, and I don't like McCain either. I'll be voting for someone else in the primary, depends on who is on the ballot, but in the general I will NOT be an enabler for Hitlery or Obama.

[DemonOfTheFall]

I haven't paid much attention to the race as of yet, because mainly I tend to think that the best way to influence politics is to pay attention to your local races, house, senate, state offices, etc. In my opinion, the president more and more is a figurehead who will do for the most part what his party advocates.

My question is, do you think gun control has become an abortion type issue? I'm NOT looking for opinions on abortion, but I'm asking in the sense that it's an issue that simply just ISN'T going to be resolved. There will always be people who want abortions. There will always be people who want to outlaw it. There will always be extremists on both sides of the issue. And there will always be people who don't give a rat's butt about the issue at all, because it doesn't affect them. What is an issue is that there are people who feel so strongly about the issue, one way or the other, that they become a one-issue voter, voting for a candidate who supports them on this one issue, but outside of that, it makes no sense to vote for that candidate. Certainly this has been well documented during the Bush presidency, him being elected with a lot of help by rural, poor, agriculturally people in the south and midwest who, aside from MORAL issues, should have no business voting for a Republican candidate.

It seems that no PRESIDENTIAL candidate will ever be totally pro-gun. I think enough of the country is so "scared" of guns that it's just not viable to be a national political candidate and be pro gun. Newspapers and talking heads on the news will make too much of it, just to make a stink..."yes, Candidate Smith cured cancer and planted flowers throughout all of Iraq, but what are we to make of his CRAZY STANCE ON GUNS?? WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!??!?!"

I plan to vote in the presidential election for who I think will best get the US out of its economic problems and make some sense out of the rest of the world, hopefully by not bombing the hell out of it (although if that's what it takes...). President Obama, Clinton 2, or McCain will not be the reason you keep your guns or get them taken away, or taxed to the max. Your state senators, congressmen, and national senators will be.

[addicted2freedom]

Originally Posted by DemonOfTheFall

I haven't paid much attention to the race as of yet, because mainly I tend to think that the best way to influence politics is to pay attention to your local races, house, senate, state offices, etc. In my opinion, the president more and more is a figurehead who will do for the most part what his party advocates.

My question is, do you think gun control has become an abortion type issue? I'm NOT looking for opinions on abortion, but I'm asking in the sense that it's an issue that simply just ISN'T going to be resolved. There will always be people who want abortions. There will always be people who want to outlaw it. There will always be extremists on both sides of the issue. And there will always be people who don't give a rat's butt about the issue at all, because it doesn't affect them. What is an issue is that there are people who feel so strongly about the issue, one way or the other, that they become a one-issue voter, voting for a candidate who supports them on this one issue, but outside of that, it makes no sense to vote for that candidate. Certainly this has been well documented during the Bush presidency, him being elected with a lot of help by rural, poor, agriculturally people in the south and midwest who, aside from MORAL issues, should have no business voting for a Republican candidate.

It seems that no PRESIDENTIAL candidate will ever be totally pro-gun. I think enough of the country is so "scared" of guns that it's just not viable to be a national political candidate and be pro gun. Newspapers and talking heads on the news will make too much of it, just to make a stink..."yes, Candidate Smith cured cancer and planted flowers throughout all of Iraq, but what are we to make of his CRAZY STANCE ON GUNS?? WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!??!?!"

I plan to vote in the presidential election for who I think will best get the US out of its economic problems and make some sense out of the rest of the world, hopefully by not bombing the hell out of it (although if that's what it takes...). President Obama, Clinton 2, or McCain will not be the reason you keep your guns or get them taken away, or taxed to the max. Your state senators, congressmen, and national senators will be.

Don't forget about executive orders, signing statements, and all of the power that the king.... errr president has accumulated over the years. The president now has more (absolute) power than ever intended.

As far as abortion vs. guns, to some extent I agree. There will always be heated debate over these two issues. In my opinion, the big separation is that abortion is a societal, moral issue that the federal government should have never stuck its nose in. Whereas, owning a gun is a constitutional issue that gets turned into a societal, moral issue by bureaucrats. So while gun policy will forever be debated, it's in defense of our right to bear arms... whereas abortion will be about ethics and moral values.

Regardless, it doesn't really matter what a candidate's stances on key issues are. People vote for whomever is more entertaining, whomever they dislike least, whomever the media tells them to, etc. --- It's not constitutional to deny a person their right to vote, however I believe that people should be required to pass a quiz before stepping up to the poll

[larrymeyer]

Don't forget Jimmy Carter took away the CIA's power to kill any terrorist on foreign soil with a Presidential decree and the CIA can not by law operate on America soil (I know they do just don't ask don't tell) the Presidential power is very strong

[cas]

No matter what all 3 of the "major canidates" as the corporate press says . All of them are gun grabbers . Locally is the way to change things

[Morel42]

Originally Posted by addicted2freedom

I'm with you. Ron Paul all the way. Obama, Clinton, and McCain are pure evil.

Back to the subject of Obama. He is a globalist in a big way. Check out his Global Poverty Act. Read about how horrid this bill is here and here.

Basically, it commits us to the UN's Millennium Development Goals for "fighting poverty". Here are some:
1. $845 billion in foreign aid (.7% of GNP, $2k per person, almost triple our current foreign aid budget)... global welfare tax, woohoo!
2. Banning "small arms and light weapons"... bye bye US Constitution!
3. Universal primary education... further dumbing down of the sheeple!
3. Ratifying a series of international treaties, including the International Criminal Court Treaty, the Kyoto Protocol (global warming treaty), the Convention on Biological Diversity, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, and the Convention on the Rights of the Child


He'll come through with all of that "change" rhetoric. The problem is that the "change" will be global socialism.

Nooo Not this again! it's the Cockroach of misquotes.. lol

If you think Obama is going to lose the Nomination, you're dreaming..

Besides, the Paster thing doesn't bother me. I have an uncle who is perhaps one of the most racist people i've ever met in my life. I hate everything that he stands for and believes, but he is the most loving person to his family, and I can count on him to aways be there for me. He knows how I feel, and I know he hates that I have friends of all races and colors, but he's family.

So Yes, Obama's preacher was wrong, and a loudmouth, and (just like HUNDREDS of White Pastors) has said some f'd up things about 9-11, god hating America and so forth.

I just don't get all upset over it. Since I can't disown my uncle anymore then Obama could disown him...

But what DOES amaze me, when I see the TV news people attack Obama for not disowning him. I mean, we have politician after politician saying exactly what we want to hear (lying the entire time). We bitch, we complain, we say "give us someone who will tell us the truth no matter how bad it is!"

Well, look what happens when a politician does just that. he gets blasted.

In the next 5 years we're going to have the biggest economic disaster this nation has seen in the last century. You can see it coming, you see the signs, the sh*t is going to hit the fan in a hard way. When it comes right down to it, i'm voting for every I think has the intellegence and the wisdom to do whats needed to soften the blow.. I really don't care if that person is a card carrying member of the KKK, or the most radical liberal we've ever seen in this country.

McCain himself doesn't understand economics (he said so himself) Hillary? God.. dont' get me started..

And Obama.. Sigh.. I just don't know.. I just really don't know..

[phill]

Take a good look at the Obama track record up to now. We in Illinois look at any choice from the Dailey Cook County Dems. as the ultimate evil. They are the reason that I have a PA CCw, but am not allowed to even lock a weapon in the trunk when in Obama's neighborhood.
Every session these people try to re-instate the Assault Weapons Ban for the state. The Chicago-Cook County cartel have tried also to put Springfield Armoury and Rock River Arms out of business by banning the manufacture, sale, or possesion of an Assault weapon. Several of these attempts have been a far broader interputation than tha old ban. Several of the towns have a total ban on ownership of handguns ect.
Take a long hard look for yourself before hitching your wagon to this group.
On a lighter note if any other state would like to adopt Cook County we could work something out.
Phill

[Lysander]

Originally Posted by Morel42

Besides, the Paster thing doesn't bother me. I have an uncle who is perhaps one of the most racist people i've ever met in my life. I hate everything that he stands for and believes, but he is the most loving person to his family, and I can count on him to aways be there for me. He knows how I feel, and I know he hates that I have friends of all races and colors, but he's family.

So Yes, Obama's preacher was wrong, and a loudmouth, and (just like HUNDREDS of White Pastors) has said some f'd up things about 9-11, god hating America and so forth.

I just don't get all upset over it. Since I can't disown my uncle anymore then Obama could disown him...

Here's what I don't get - The "pastor" is not Obama's uncle. Not by blood or by marriage. So while your uncle may be family (blood being thicker than water, and using the above as illustration only) this is not Obama's family - sure, he may feel like this guy is (or should have been) his uncle, but that doesn't make it so. Obama can disown/disavow/distance himself from the "pastor" and any so-claimed relationship DOES NOT excuse him for not doing so.

So fine, he doesn't disown or distance himself (except in ways that he can always go back and say he didn't mean "like that"). It's not "telling us what we want to hear." But it is telling us what he believes, even if he's too chicken to actually admit it.

[cas]

Originally Posted by billamj

I can't stomach the idea of Hitlery, .

I like that label of her lying butt. . Suites her perfectly . As for calling this "election" It will be either Hitlary/Obama or Obama/Hitlary. Mccain will prolly choose that traitor Governor in texas as his running mate