New CCW in Monroe

[tsafa]

I don't know if this was mentioned before in this thread... it is 11 pages long... but most of the people in this thread are Monroe Residence. Is there any reason why we can not vouch for each other???

Does the person you are using as a reference have to have a CCW themselves? Or living in Monroe for a certain number of years? That is the only potential snag I see.

BTW, Concealed carry... does that mean that only the gun itself be concealed? How about a gun in a closed holster so that the gun is not visible at all? Just curious.

[PoconoJo]

The PA permit is called an LTCF (License to Carry Firearms), not a CCW.

There is no reason why we cannot vouch for each other but I wouldn't recommend vouching for someone that you don't know personally.

The persons you use as references do not have to have an LTCF. They do not have to have lived in Monroe County for a certain number of years. It appears that they only need a Monroe County mailing address in order to receive a postcard that they fill out and send back.

The permit is a License to Carry Firearms, not to merely conceal them. Since open carry is legal in PA and LTCF holders are not bound to conceal them by statute then no, the gun does not have to be concealed. However, because PA has a wacky law that denies citizens the right to possess a loaded firearm in their vehicle, the LTCF makes it legal. Imagine that, you can walk around with an openly loaded firearm but having a loaded gun in your vehicle is a serious criminal offense. I guess our enlightened legislators never heard of car jacking. I'm sure the car jackers are aware of this and give you a time out when attempting to steal your car so you can load your weapon and fight back. Totally absurd. Something we should consider attempting to change. As far as I'm concerned, the right of self defense in your vehicle is one tiny step below the right to self defense in your home or place of business, particularly if you happened to be a truck driver.

[tsafa]

That is interesting PoconoJo. I did not know that anyone who owns a firearm an carry it anywhere other then in their car without a carry license.

[God's Country]

Originally Posted by PoconoJo

However, because PA has a wacky law that denies citizens the right to possess a loaded firearm in their vehicle, the LTCF makes it legal.

Just to be clear for the new people loaded long arms cannot be stored or transported with a LTCF.

Originally Posted by tsafa

That is interesting PoconoJo. I did not know that anyone who owns a firearm an carry it anywhere other then in their car without a carry license.

Again to be clear OC, although legal, in most situations is effectively not plausible without a LTCF because you cannot legally transport your handgun unloaded in a vehicle unless the individual falls under one of the few exceptions to the law(again without a LTCF).

[tsafa]

Originally Posted by God's Country

Just to be clear for the new people loaded long arms cannot be stored or transported with a LTCF.

Thank you for making that clear. It there a separate licensing for that? Or is that completely illegal?

[dc dalton]

Originally Posted by tsafa

That is interesting PoconoJo. I did not know that anyone who owns a firearm an carry it anywhere other then in their car without a carry license.

Stick around, you will meet plenty of them

[PoconoJo]

Originally Posted by tsafa

That is interesting PoconoJo. I did not know that anyone who owns a firearm an carry it anywhere other then in their car without a carry license.

I didn't say anywhere. The same prohibitions exist in courthouses and schools with or without an LTCF.

[PoconoJo]

Originally Posted by God's Country

Just to be clear for the new people loaded long arms cannot be stored or transported with a LTCF.

Again to be clear OC, although legal, in most situations is effectively not plausible without a LTCF because you cannot legally transport your handgun unloaded in a vehicle unless the individual falls under one of the few exceptions to the law(again without a LTCF).

With all due respect...

Please define stored and show me where it states that in the PA statutes. Are you telling me that I cannot have a loaded shotgun or rifle in my home for self-defense? I disagree. Are you only speaking of "stored" in a vehicle? You are correct with regards to transporting long guns in vehicles. They must be unloaded, LTCF or not. My apologies for omitting that.

Again, please show me where in the statutes it says you cannot legally transport an unloaded firearm in your car. It states that you cannot have a loaded firearm in your vehicle without a permit and a few other exceptions. I've read the entire statute and see the exceptions and they leave reasonable holes in them. I've questioned the local police on this as well and they all agreed that it was not a problem with them. I even asked if the ammo had to be in a separate place within the vehicle as in NJ and they said no, simply unloaded is compliant with the statute. Don't take my word for it, go to the local Law Enforcement and ask them their stance. Ask the State Police. If you cannot transport an unloaded firearm in your vehicle without a permit then how can you possibly take your gun to the range or a gunsmith without a permit? I'm unaware of any instances where a law abiding citizen who can legally own a firearm has been prosecuted in PA for transporting an unloaded and secured weapon in their vehicle for such purposes.

"A handgun being transported in a vehicle without a license to carry must be unloaded and must be carried under one of the exceptions listed above under ‘Carry.’ Rifles and shotguns may be transported in a vehicle as long as they are unloaded.
While transporting a firearm without a license, it is up to the person carrying the firearm to demonstrate that one of the exceptions applies. A law enforcement officer may demand such evidence."

Perhaps you cannot drive around the countryside hundreds of miles from your home with an unloaded firearm but if you have a reasonable excuse and are local I see no problem. That being said, I urge everyone who qualifies for a LTCF to obtain one and all of this will be moot. Why take unnecessary chances and leave it up to a LEO who may not be "pro-gun," for lack of a better term. I cite a recent case in PA where a "soccer mom" had her openly carried firearm taken away by an LEO at a soccer game her child was participating in because other parents complained. After her day in court the firearm was returned and all charges dropped but what a hassle.