Its Time For PA To Get With The 21st Century...

[Dredly]

Originally Posted by NP1724

An errant shot is an errant shot no matter what rifle it is fired out of (Centerfire). I just can't support restrictions based on the stupidity of a few. Know your backstop.

The problem is the "stupid" aren't the few... its the majority these days. If you need proof just go to any SGL range from now until the weekend before rifle season.... you'll see proof...

"I hit the target once. I'm good to go!"... say what?

[max384]

Originally Posted by onefunzr2

I voted no. Why? Because I'm an old fogey who grew up with walnut and deep blued rifles...a traditionalist, so to speak. Have I ever seen a youngster unload his 30-30 magazine at a whitetail doe? Sure. I didn't like it then and I wouldn't like one doing the same with his AR-15. To me, it's just not sporting. And, I don't see the need. You're claiming you should be able to use it, just because you have it? That's absurd. If you own a Taser, should that be made legal also?

As for the OP who just spent $1600 on, I'm supposing, some form of pseudo-military looking, semi-auto black rifle and now is pissing cause he can't use it for PA hunting. Too bad. You should have known better. Nothing's stopping you from using it in another state where it's legal.

As for this being the 21st century and thus all the latest innovations should be allowed in daily life...Chevrolet Corvette ZO6 is 200mph capable. Do you think PennDot will raise the speed limit above 65mph to accommodate your desires to go fast? Not bloody likely! So get over it.

Another observation: seems a lot of posters on this thread aren't even from PA. Why should we care what you want?

Not that I think the PA game commission knows what they're doing, either. Using a revolver chambered for the 32 S&W cartridge (circa 1878) is illegal for small game (squirrel) hunting. Yet the 10ga magnum and 22-250 Remington are perfectly legal. You tell me which is more safe and\or sporting? Go figure.

Originally Posted by noshow

I just voted no. I am also a purist who values traditional firearms (walnut & deep blued) as hunting gear. However, I am a devoted plinker who appreciates 22 rimfire auto loaders(both rifle & pistol) for pure fun. I would like to be able to walk the woods with these in search of non living targets.

Since you're a purist, I guess that means you don't use anything that takes centerfire cartridges, just flintlocks, right?. Using a bolt action is only traditional to you. At one point in time, a bolt action was the latest and greatest and 'purists' were arguing about their use as well. Hell, flintlocks are a technological masterpiece compared to what humans had been using for thousands of years.

Originally Posted by NP1724

For all the hunting "purists" believe it or not you can buy semi's that arent EBR's with nice wood stocks and blueing, I sold one when I moved from TX because I could not use it here to hunt with. Also I admire the fact that you think your feelings toward the subject should constitute laws for everyone. If you really want to be a purist we should only have longbows and flintlocks for hunting, no centerfire whatsoever.

Exactly.


If it can humanely take a deer, why not allow it?

[brian]

for the argument about semi auto shotguns, they are limited to three rounds total in the chamber and magazine combined.
you willing to give up 4-5 rounds just to hunt with a semi? not that it really matters, because you do not need anymore than one round to get the job done. at worst a second shot may be needed to finish a poorly hit animal, anymore than two shots and you're just wasting meat or unsure of your target.
if you think spray and pray is not in affect on public lands, you're wrong, by a lot.
i've been there, i've had a few rounds strike limbs (well) over my head.
i'd rather see them put a 3round limit on everything, then you could use whatever to make them go bang.

if you're in a part of the state where you can hunt for a week and never see another person, great.
i live in part where you're already having a good day when you don't have to hunt for a parking space before you even get into the woods.

[goofin]

if you can use a semi shotgun, then you should be able to use a semi rifle. limit it to 5 rounds for both shotgun and rifle.

[NightRocker]

Maybe an 8 round max limit. that way the M1 Garand can be used.

[DeepbluePA]

I wouldnt mind being able to take My ar's out for woodchucks but an ar or ak for deer or bear, I'm not a fan. 10/22 for small game might not be ba either.

[NP1724]

Originally Posted by DeepbluePA

I wouldnt mind being able to take My ar's out for woodchucks but an ar or ak for deer or bear, I'm not a fan. 10/22 for small game might not be ba either.

This is a caliber issue, not an action issue. Like I said previously there are semi's that are made for hunting game such as deer or bear that don't look much different that a standard bolt action rifle.

Let's not derail the conversation about allowing semi's based on a particular caliber choice. I've stated I think it's time to allow semi's but that does not mean I am going to take my AR or any gun chambered in .223 for large game.

[punxsutawneypete]

Semi-automatic firearms have existed since the 1890's. Has anybody ever come across why this regulation was enacted? Or is this a case where something was done and now nobody knows why, but nobody gets up the effort to change it? Seems to me that a .308 bullet doesn't know if it came out of a Springfield Armory M1A or a Remington 700. I can work a bolt action rifle faster than Gary Cooper did in "Sgt. York", so I really don't see a rationale for banning semiautomatic firearms for most hunting.

[max384]

Originally Posted by DeepbluePA

I wouldnt mind being able to take My ar's out for woodchucks but an ar or ak for deer or bear, I'm not a fan. 10/22 for small game might not be ba either.

I wouldn't use .223 or 7.62x39 either.... but there are plenty of other suitable calibers in semi-auto packages.... hell there are plenty of good calibers for deer or other large game in AR setups now.


NP1724
I've tried to rep you now on two separate posts now, but it says I have to spread it around some more. I'll owe you later Some good posts!

[ham385]

I'd love to take my AR out for ground hogs, coyote, even turkey. I'd like the pleasure of taking game with it, knowing that i'm the person who built it. Not only that, it's extremely accurate, practically begging to be used as a varmint rifle.

I can't get that with a bolt action rifle. I don't have the tools or expertise to build one.

You know, I fly fish. I've been tying my own flies for years, simply because of the satisfaction I get knowing that I constructed the lure that fooled the fish. I even built my own fly rod last winter, just taking it to the next level.

It's too bad the PAGC denies me the same experience hunting because of some stupid ass rule that some stupid ass 'purists' feel is their right to impose on the rest of us. To me, that's just as bad as the assholes that would restrict your right to free speech on the basis you may offend, or restrict your right to carry/own a firearm on the basis you may hurt someone.