Its Time For PA To Get With The 21st Century...

[max384]

Originally Posted by WhiteFeather

I voted Yes, its the 21st century the hunter numbers are falling in PA rapidily for lots of reasons.

Since this thread is turning once again into this same old debate every time this subject comes up and no one has address my questions in this thread going to re post it here. This semi-auto and spray pray debate is the same lame debate that the anti-gunners use in why you need a rifle or a shot gun with more than 10 rounds all because of criminal misuse of firearms.

is pa the only state where you can't go hunting with a semi auto rifle?
http://forum.pafoa.org/hunting-23/15...le-page-8.html (is pa the only state where you can't go hunting with a semi auto rifle?)

Currently in PA 09/10 session there is this bill to allow limited animals to be hunted with semi autos.

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/...type=R&bn=0095




This bill allows the use of semi-automatic 22 caliber rimfire rifles or smaller for the taking of coyotes, foxes or woodchucks.

I know this same debate comes up all the time about semi autos and people being irresponsible with firearms.

It’s not a hardware problem but a soft ware problem, does anyone ever go confront irresponsible people out hunting ? We all have witnessed numerous versions of this, you set up half way up a hill guy comes in after you sits right above you looking and probably being shooting your way if anything appears. Guys glassing you in a scope with loaded rifle instead using binoculars, or a dozens of stupid irresponsible things we all have seen out hunting.

Right now in PA its legal to use a revolver that can discharge 5, 6, 7 high powered rounds almost as fast as a semi auto. I been in the woods up north with idiots using lever action rifles like they have been watching too many episodes of the old “rifle man” tv series with Chuck Connors empting the mag almost as fast as a semi auto again shooting at running deer. Same applies to pump action rifles and shotguns shooting at deer running. Most of the people that are against semi-autos always seem to miss this existing problems of lack of poor judgement.


All of the other states (I believe the number is 38) that allow semi-autos for hunting don’t have all the problems mentioned in this thread, again it’s not the hardware, it’s the software that is the problem, the human factor. People don’t need more advanced hardware or semi autos to be irresponsible, they can do it with currently legal hunting guns like pumps, levers and revolver style actions.

To counter this debate on semi-auto can some explain to me why in the most densely populated parts of PA like Allegheny county it’s LEGAL to use semi-auto shotguns for deer?
Wait, more fire power that can’t be legally used in remote parts of the state, top it off with lots of these same semi-auto / pump shotgun only urban counties allow / demand multiple projectiles like buckshot to used for deer.

Others will counter that a shotgun is somehow less lethal or shorter range than rifles, well PA game commission study shows that is not the case and its results are being used trying to loosen up shotgun only regulations in other states. Many semi auto shotguns with rifle barrels and scopes can accurately hit targets out to 200 yards and beyond with modern shotgun slugs designs. The only limitation on shotguns is magazine capacity is limited to three shots for migratory game (by the feds) and in general small season, on deer season I can’t find any magazine capacity.

So why not open up some hunting opportunity to more people to use different firearms actions like semi-autos, it would be easy enough to put a magazine limit on semi-autos that doesn’t currently exist for the rest of the firearms used for deer or should we continue to practice a form of gun control in PA?

One of the other benefits of allowing semi-autos is for very young and older hunters is the recoil is less with semi-autos that regular firearms and also might allow for disabled hunters (veterans) to go hunting with semi-autos that is not possible with regular firearms due to physical limitations.


For people that are against semi's for safety reasons.

How about banning shooting at running deer and deer drives for SAFETY SAKE of others out hunting, it would solve most of the problems that currently exist with irresponsible people that are wildly shooting at running deer now with or without semi-auto rifles.

Any one for this?

Very well said. I can't add anything to what you've already said... except to say I agree with all points. Rep sent!

[Yellowfin]

It sounds like you need to require that rifles be used only from a treestand. If you have people in stands the bullet is going into the ground and you're off ground level from other people's shots as well. In most of the country good sense and/or having a dad teaches people to do that, but apparently it hasn't been taught in PA.

[Dredly]

Originally Posted by Yellowfin

Can you tell the difference between these

Can you tell the difference between this:



and this:

[NightRocker]

Originally Posted by Dredly

Can you tell the difference between this:



and this:

What dose that have to do with hunting? Looks like two different guys playing with their rifles.

[Dredly]

Originally Posted by Yellowfin

It sounds like you need to require that rifles be used only from a treestand. If you have people in stands the bullet is going into the ground and you're off ground level from other people's shots as well. In most of the country good sense and/or having a dad teaches people to do that, but apparently it hasn't been taught in PA.

in PA rifle season the normal way to hunt is by putting on a drive and pushing deer towards where people are sitting and waiting for them to come. There are to many hunters in PA and not enough land to safely hunt to sit in a tree stand and just wait. Plus with only having 2 days for most people to hunt (2 saturdays) it makes it much more dangerous to be out in the woods.

[Dredly]

Originally Posted by NightRocker

What dose that have to do with hunting? Looks like two different guys playing with their rifles.

its what every non-hunter and anti-hunter will see if hunting with a semi becomes public and the amount of backlash will be unreal.

[Yellowfin]

Originally Posted by Dredly

Plus with only having 2 days for most people to hunt (2 saturdays) it makes it much more dangerous to be out in the woods.

Looks like that problem needs fixing BIGTIME. What the heck happened to have that pathetic of a situation?

[Yellowfin]

Originally Posted by Dredly

its what every non-hunter and anti-hunter will see if hunting with a semi becomes public and the amount of backlash will be unreal.

Then give them a big dose of STFU and reality. You know, public information...OUR JOB.

[max384]

Originally Posted by Dredly

in PA rifle season the normal way to hunt is by putting on a drive and pushing deer towards where people are sitting and waiting for them to come. There are to many hunters in PA and not enough land to safely hunt to sit in a tree stand and just wait. Plus with only having 2 days for most people to hunt (2 saturdays) it makes it much more dangerous to be out in the woods.

I wouldn't say that's the 'normal way to hunt' here in PA. Many do it, sure. But I think the majority use treestands or sit on 'stumps.'

And there is a huge difference between two different people shooting different guns (as in your video) and whether or not to allow semis for hunting. You are using the same scare tactics the Clinton administration used for the assault weapons ban.

[NightRocker]

Originally Posted by Dredly

its what every non-hunter and anti-hunter will see if hunting with a semi becomes public and the amount of backlash will be unreal.

ROFLMAO!!! forgot this one! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWet_9x6mcc