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Another example of government run amuck. The notion that one should have to rely on a WCO to make a ruling on such an issue is ridiculous. They are neither attorneys, nor legislators. Any law that includes such ambiguity (regardless of the focus) should not exist. Better to choose an arbitrary limity (a distance, in this case), and live with the consequences of the odd case where someone can game the rules than to leave everyone clueless and vulnerable to being a violation of a law that sets no clear restriction.
This is exactly what I was thinking. (bold/italics) I was shocked that I couldn't find it defined in the digest. Even if it were legal, I wouldn't set up over a bait pile but, I have no issues with leaving food out there pretty much year round (except while season is in) so the deer have a reason to come through more often.
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This is exactly what I was thinking. (bold/italics) I was shocked that I couldn't find it defined in the digest. Even if it were legal, I wouldn't set up over a bait pile but, I have no issues with leaving food out there pretty much year round (except while season is in) so the deer have a reason to come through more often.
There is no set distance because amount and type of bait and terrain make each case unique.
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Another example of government run amuck. The notion that one should have to rely on a WCO to make a ruling on such an issue is ridiculous. They are neither attorneys, nor legislators. Any law that includes such ambiguity (regardless of the focus) should not exist. Better to choose an arbitrary limity (a distance, in this case), and live with the consequences of the odd case where someone can game the rules than to leave everyone clueless and vulnerable to being a violation of a law that sets no clear restriction.
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There is no set distance because amount and type of bait and terrain make each case unique.
Based on the information I provided in the pic and posts in this thread.... Would YOU consider hunting 150+ yards away from the neighbors bait/mineral lick to be hunting over bait or a baited area?
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My hunting partner had a run in with his non hunting neighbor. My buddy has 110 acres that he farms and hunts, 1 of his stands is within 30 yds of the property line with said non-hunting neighbor. The non hunting neighbor, out of spite, put a corn feeder up on his property within 50 yds of my buddy's stand. My buddy called the Game Commision who told him he could no longer hunt that stand as long as that feeder was up or until 30 days after its removal.

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Karma sucks though, non hunting neighbor seems to be having all sorts of problems around the place now.
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My hunting partner had a run in with his non hunting neighbor. My buddy has 110 acres that he farms and hunts, 1 of his stands is within 30 yds of the property line with said non-hunting neighbor. The non hunting neighbor, out of spite, put a corn feeder up on his property within 50 yds of my buddy's stand. My buddy called the Game Commision who told him he could no longer hunt that stand as long as that feeder was up or until 30 days after its removal.

NOW THAT SUCKS!!!!

Karma sucks though, non hunting neighbor seems to be having all sorts of problems around the place now.
That's just mean, man! Kind of like the guy on here posted the video of the neighbor driving around loudly on his ATV and blasting an air horn. Get a life! People really do suck sometimes. I would not send him a Christmas card or have him over for some 'nog.
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I looked through the Hunting Digest and can't seem to find a definition/calculation.



Background: I’ve been hunting my dad’s farm for years. We put food/mineral supplements out for the deer all spring and summer. We do this to try to adjust/control their habitual paths through the farm. More so they establish a “familiar path” through the farm where it is safe to shoot them with a rifle. I/we make sure the area isn’t baited for the required 30 days prior to gun season. None of our tree stands (our ladder stands are left in place year round) are placed within range of the “bait” and/or have interfering terrain so none of us could shoot a deer in the baited area (depending on how the area is defined). AFAIK, this is a non-issue because the bait and remnants are long gone before gun season. This has never been an issue because I’ve always made sure to bow hunt on the other side of the farm.

Situation: I checked the game cameras last night and found the guy on the adjacent property had bait and a game camera set up about 10 yards from the property line which is 70yds from where I planned to use my climber stand during archery season. The new owner of the adjacent property doesn’t bow hunt but has made it clear, we are not to cross the boundary without permission.
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1) Distance from food/bait I/WE put out, to my planned archery stand @ 300 yds.

2) Distance from neighbors food/bait to my planned archery stand @ 80 yds.

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1) What defines the “baited” area? Dimensions?

2) Does it matter if the “bait” is on the neighbors property? I/we don’t have permission to hunt that land and have no control over what they do?

3) If I go forward with my planned archery location, would it be considered “Hunting a baited area?” I can’t hit the baited area with my bow and it would be illegal to shoot across the property line.

I can always choose a new location but the question remains, how far away from the food do I have to go to be considered “outside” the baited area?

Bottom line there is no reg on this subject they can come in and close a area up with no restrictions on a distance. It's best to just get rid off it because the "area" is made up by the the WCO. They will bust balls.
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Based on the information I provided in the pic and posts in this thread.... Would YOU consider hunting 150+ yards away from the neighbors bait/mineral lick to be hunting over bait or a baited area?
That's a really tough question. If you're hunting on a route you know that deer will be traveling to get to/from the bait, I would consider it a violation. My reason for that is in the first couple words of the regulation "taking advantage of food or bait" Within range of a shot doesn't have anything to do with it imo.
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That's a really tough question. If you're hunting on a route you know that deer will be traveling to get to/from the bait, I would consider it a violation. My reason for that is in the first couple words of the regulation "taking advantage of food or bait" Within range of a shot doesn't have anything to do with it imo.
I'm gonna end up moving my mineral licks tomorrow. I can't change what the neighbor did... so I'll have to adjust.
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