"what's he got in his pocketses?"

[Michele]

What?????? No condoms????????

When will you guys get serious about self preservation and protection......

Geez!!!!!!!!

[00leland00]

TonyFly--
White lighters are bad luck. Ditch that piece of gear ASAP!

[LowFlyer]

Originally Posted by Tony Fly

This is everything in my pockets on a normal day (excluding my phone which I used to take the photo... its a bright green LG Chocolate for those who care)

WOW! The CAMELs are the dangerous thing there!!!

[GunLawyer001]

Originally Posted by HiredGoon

If you don't know, carrying a blackjack is illegal...unless you're a LEO.

"Title 18 § 908. Prohibited offensive weapons.
(a) Offense defined.--A person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree if, except as authorized by law, he makes repairs, sells, or otherwise deals in, uses, or possesses any offensive weapon.

(c) Definition.--As used in this section, the following words and phrases shall have the meanings given to them in this subsection:

"Offensive weapons."
Any bomb, grenade, machine gun, sawed-off shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches, firearm specially made or specially adapted for concealment or silent discharge, any blackjack, sandbag, metal knuckles, dagger, knife, razor or cutting instrument, the blade of which is exposed in an automatic way by switch, push-button, spring mechanism, or otherwise, or other implement for the infliction of serious bodily injury which serves no common lawful purpose.

(d) Exemptions.--The use and possession of blackjacks by the following persons in the course of their duties are exempt from this section:

Police officers, as defined by and who meet the requirements of the act of June 18, 1974 (P.L.359, No.120), referred to as the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.
Police officers of first class cities who have successfully completed training which is substantially equivalent to the program under the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.
Pennsylvania State Police officers.
Sheriffs and deputy sheriffs of the various counties who have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.
Police officers employed by the Commonwealth who have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.
Deputy sheriffs with adequate training as determined by the Pennsylvania Commission on Crime and Delinquency.
Liquor Control Board agents who have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal Police Education and Training Law".

That said...do you find that there is a tactical advantage in carrying a blackjack? Just curious.

That's an older version of § 908, from 2002 or earlier. (Probably from the website helpfully maintained by that DJ, which I won't fault him for.)

Here's the current version:

§ 908. Prohibited offensive weapons

(a) Offense defined.--A person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree if, except as authorized by law, he makes repairs, sells, or otherwise deals in, uses, or possesses any offensive weapon.


(b) Exceptions.--

(1) It is a defense under this section for the defendant to prove by a preponderance of evidence that he possessed or dealt with the weapon solely as a curio or in a dramatic performance, or that, with the exception of a bomb, grenade or incendiary device, he complied with the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. § 5801 et seq.), or that he possessed it briefly in consequence of having found it or taken it from an aggressor, or under circumstances similarly negativing any intent or likelihood that the weapon would be used unlawfully.

(2) This section does not apply to police forensic firearms experts or police forensic firearms laboratories. Also exempt from this section are forensic firearms experts or forensic firearms laboratories operating in the ordinary course of business and engaged in lawful operation who notify in writing, on an annual basis, the chief or head of any police force or police department of a city, and, elsewhere, the sheriff of a county in which they are located, of the possession, type and use of offensive weapons.

(3) This section shall not apply to any person who makes, repairs, sells or otherwise deals in, uses or possesses any firearm for purposes not prohibited by the laws of this Commonwealth.


(c) Definitions.--As used in this section, the following words and phrases shall have the meanings given to them in this subsection:


"Firearm." Any weapon which is designed to or may readily be converted to expel any projectile by the action of an explosive or the frame or receiver of any such weapon.


"Offensive weapons." Any bomb, grenade, machine gun, sawed-off shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches, firearm specially made or specially adapted for concealment or silent discharge, any blackjack, sandbag, metal knuckles, dagger, knife, razor or cutting instrument, the blade of which is exposed in an automatic way by switch, push-button, spring mechanism, or otherwise, any stun gun, stun baton, taser or other electronic or electric weapon or other implement for the infliction of serious bodily injury which serves no common lawful purpose.


(d) Exemptions.--The use and possession of blackjacks by the following persons in the course of their duties are exempt from this section:

(1) Police officers, as defined by and who meet the requirements of the act of June 18, 1974 (P.L. 359, No. 120), referred to as the Municipal Police Education and Training Law. [FN1]

(2) Police officers of first class cities who have successfully completed training which is substantially equivalent to the program under the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.

(3) Pennsylvania State Police officers.

(4) Sheriffs and deputy sheriffs of the various counties who have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.

(5) Police officers employed by the Commonwealth who have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.

(6) Deputy sheriffs with adequate training as determined by the Pennsylvania Commission on Crime and Delinquency.

(7) Liquor Control Board agents who have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.

[Tony Fly]

Originally Posted by 00leland00

TonyFly--
White lighters are bad luck. Ditch that piece of gear ASAP!

Ha... Not all the time... if you buy a white lighter then its bad luck, but if you buy a STEELERS lighter and the wrapper finally falls off exposing the white plastic, then it is Good Luck

[Tony Fly]

Originally Posted by Michele

What?????? No condoms????????

When will you guys get serious about self preservation and protection......

Geez!!!!!!!!

LOL!

condoms... what the hell are those?

Some new kind of bullet proofing gear I think, right?















I'm married! No need!

[Tony Fly]

Originally Posted by LowFlyer

WOW! The CAMELs are the dangerous thing there!!!

LOL!

Why, do you think I can throw them at the Bad Guy? I don't know if they will do much damage by throwing them though.

My mom always told me I will shoot my eye out with cigarettes one day!

[djturnz]

GunLawyer001; does anything in what you posted make it legal for him to carry the blackjack? Other than the Lawful purpose part?

[GunLawyer001]

Originally Posted by djturnz

GunLawyer001; does anything in what you posted make it legal for him to carry the blackjack? Other than the Lawful purpose part?

Nope. He'd have to argue that he carried it purely as a curio, which in conjunction with the other weaponry seems a tough sell. Having an LTCF gets you nowhere with respect to being authorized to carry a sap, and the "common lawful purpose" text doesn't even arguably apply to the sap.

Personally, I think the Legislature has gone way overboard in their list of Prohibited Offensive Weapons, since it facially covers most knives, blackjacks, stun guns, and similar non-lethal items. Case law has narrowed the list of knives, but how many of you have read those cases? Simple, peaceful possession of a listed item is a 1st degree misdemeanor, which could get you more jail time than someone who mugs an old lady. Being convicted for simply owning a stun gun or blackjack or switchblade is absurd, considering that owning a baseball bat or tire iron or a wrench or a K-bar has the potential for more permanent harm if used criminally.

People don't know that some of these things are criminal, that's why I put the current, larger version here.

[djturnz]

As I read it, stun guns are Ok.

§908.1. Use or possession of electric or electronic incapacitation device.

(a) Offense defined.-Except as set forth in subsection (b), a person commits an offense if the person does any of the following:

(1) Uses an electric or electronic incapacitation device on another person for an unlawful purpose.

(2) Possesses, with intent to violate paragraph (1), an electric or electronic incapacitation device.

(b) Self defense.-A person may possess and use an electric or electronic incapacitation device in the exercise of reasonable force in defense of the person or the person's property, pursuant to Chapter 5 (relating to general principles of justification), if the electric or elec*tronic incapacitation device is labeled with or accompanied by clearly written instructions as to its use and the damages involved in its use.