Can I, a PA handgun owner, transfer to a Florida resident in PA?

[mdklisa]

I legally own a handgun (Keltec p3at) in PA and am about to move to (of all freaking states) California. I'm going via RV through Canada and the US- so I can't bring it. I was going to ship my gun until I realized that gun is not legal in California anyhow. I may move back to PA but don't think that leaving it (even with family) under my name but out of my possession is a great idea.
I have a friend who has a FL drivers license (has a house in FL), but works for the DOD (Navy civilian) so he lives and works mostly up here in PA. Anyhow- he wants to purchase it. The transfer would take place in PA. He has no criminal record. Is it legal to transfer to him (obviously going through a FFL) given that he has a FL ID?
If not- any other ideas on how to handle this? I don't want to sell it back to the gun shop- because they'll give me a third of what I paid and the gun is nearly new.

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by mdklisa

... but don't think that leaving it (even with family) under my name but out of my possession is a great idea.

"Loaning" of handguns is perfectly legal if, and only if, the person you loan it to has an LTCF.

The transfer would take place in PA.

Not legal.
The ONLY way to transfer a handgun to a non-PA resident is through an FFL in the buyers state.

[mdklisa]

Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot

"Loaning" of handguns is perfectly legal if, and only if, the person you loan it to has an LTCF.



Not legal.
The ONLY way to transfer a handgun to a non-PA resident is through an FFL in the buyers state.

Thanks for the reply. Any idea on the conditions or ramifications of "loaning" if I did so to a friend with a LTCF?

So I'd have to go to a PA FFL and have it sent to a FL FFL for them to pick up?

Thanks.

[Punisher]

Originally Posted by mdklisa

, but works for the DOD (Navy civilian) so he lives and works mostly up here in PA.

if he lives here, wouldn't that make him a resident?? last i checked, your driver's license didn't make you a resident of anywhere - it just made you licensed to drive in th state it was obtained in..............

[mdklisa]

Originally Posted by dwhite725

if he lives here, wouldn't that make him a resident?? last i checked, your driver's license didn't make you a resident of anywhere - it just made you licensed to drive in th state it was obtained in..............

Hmmm... good point. He does rent and apt here and gets paid by the fed gov't here. But wouldn't any FFL ask for a driver's license and use that to determine residence? He has no other ID other than his DOD picture ID (which is civilian). I guess I should to ask them.

[Punisher]

well, maybe his job can send him a letter verifying his residence here - there are many people who split their residence between two states - it wouldn't even make sense if they could buy guns in one and not the other (not like our government always make sense, but.................)

[mdklisa]

Originally Posted by dwhite725

well, maybe his job can send him a letter verifying his residence here - there are many people who split their residence between two states - it wouldn't even make sense if they could buy guns in one and not the other (not like our government always make sense, but.................)

Thanks for your replies. That's a good idea to explore.
Trying to make sense out of our government is an bottomless well of frustration.

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by mdklisa

Thanks for the reply. Any idea on the conditions or ramifications of "loaning" if I did so to a friend with a LTCF?

So I'd have to go to a PA FFL and have it sent to a FL FFL for them to pick up?

Thanks.

There is no specification as to length of time in the UFA for "loaning".
It just required they be a LTCF holder.
See §6115 of the UFA

You do not have to ship from a FFL. You can ship directly to the receiving FFL via common carrier (not the USPS) Fed-EX and UPS only allow (internal policy) handguns to be shipped "overnight".
You ca ship from an FFL and the FFL can ship via the post office.

Either way will end up about the same $

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by dwhite725

if he lives here, wouldn't that make him a resident?? last i checked, your driver's license didn't make you a resident of anywhere - it just made you licensed to drive in th state it was obtained in..............

You have to meet state residency requirements (which I don't have handy).
A drivers license is a convenient "proof" you meet requirements because you can not get one without being a, and maintaining residency in the state.

[Xringshooter]

Your friend meets (from what you stated) the majority of the residency requirements (maintains a domicile, pays utilities I presume, has state/local taxes taken from his paycheck, etc). But if you are stating that you are taking up residency in a state you have a set period of time that you must change you DL to your new state of residency. As a dealer, I would NOT sell or transfer a handgun to him just because he lives here and works here. He would have to produce a PA DL to do the transfer. There are many people that work in NJ but reside in PA and vice versa. The Jerseyite who works in PA can not buy a handgun direct in PA.