When it is no longer selfe defence.

[knight0334]

Yes, I know.. big difference..

"Castle Doctrine" was already established in Florida in the 1800's when Florida adopted English Common Law when it formed it's Constitution. Despite what everyone thinks, PA has Castle Doctrine too. A man's home is his castle = castle doctrine = no duty to flee from home = PA laws as they exist today.

What PA needs is a "Stand Your Ground Law", which is what FL enacted within the last few short years. Stand Your Ground applies outside of one's home where Castle Doctrine didn't apply.


We also need to have criminal accomplices held accountable for cohort's actions. At any time a cohort could stop a planned crime by informing police. If his cohort gets killed, he is liable for what happened.

[stevieb92]

Originally Posted by Montanya

I liken the whole thing to someone breaking into private property and falling down a well and then suing the land owner because the well wasn't covered. You shouldn't have been there in the first place and you would not have gotten shot. Damn PA pass some more firm laws on criminals, there are too many laws that support criminals rights. I say just like when you are in prison, when you are commiting a crime you LOSE your rights, just as you are trying to deprive someone else of their's.

So many people think it is crazy but I always said the same with running from a cop, if you turn and run from the police, they should have the right to shoot your ass. If you didn't do anything wrong, there is no need for you to be running. Would clear tons of room on the court dockets, less jury duty , and perhaps the people who want to commit a crime will think twice about it instead of "well the worse thing that can happen is I go to jail", the worse that SHOULD happen is you might just lose your life.

I don't like the idea that I can beat you down, threaten your life, invade your home and the moment I turn my back to run I am now a "victim".

/rant off

+1000000!!!

[stevieb92]

Originally Posted by brewguy

Now that you mention it there is this 6 year old, his parents send him off to run around all day.. The little sucker climbs over our 6 foot privacy fence to get his ball. Which he intentionally throws over. He scares me, do you think it would be ok to wing him?

Seriously I'm concerned he will fall, or my dogs will freak and bite him. Then I'll be forced to grind him up into hamber to they don't come and kill my dogs.

I think I should be able to detain the kid, call the police and then sue his parents for trespass and or child neglect. Take some responsibility for your own kids!!

Get the kid on video while he is on your property. If a picture is worth a thousand words, a video is priceless...

[KeithPA]

Thats why we need Stand Your Ground. Or everyone needs to memorize Kopko v. Miller and claim they were trying to arrest the fleeing person

It'll be interesting to see how this one turns out.

[brewguy]

Originally Posted by stevieb92

Get the kid on video while he is on your property. If a picture is worth a thousand words, a video is priceless...

this is a great idea.

[WhiteFeather]

Originally Posted by ChamberedRound

BIG difference between PA and Florida, as they wised-up and passed a Castle Doctrine Law. We don't have one here in PA, hence the mess (sigh).

Why wait to any of US are put in this postion of legal defense to being attacked, its really easy to second guess a event what you would or not do under all that stress and emotions. How about all of us do something pro active to help pass the castle doctrine bill into law here in PA before you have to find out what you will do.

Anyone here want to ask this guy in article if he thinks we need HB 641 passed into law right now, don't wait to you find yourself in that same postion - do something now to get HB 641 made into a law in PA.....

HB 641

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/...type=B&BN=0641

[brewguy]

whitefeather,

I sent a letter, I have to tell you from my past experience Jerry Nailor has been bought and paid for by lobbyists. I'm not sure what good it will do.

[WhiteFeather]

Originally Posted by brewguy

whitefeather,

I sent a letter, I have to tell you from my past experience Jerry Nailor has been bought and paid for by lobbyists. I'm not sure what good it will do.

I don't think I ever talked with Rep Jerry Nailor but looking at his past voting record "typical" votes pro gun. Check on FOAC grade and has a "B" because of past voting record and questionare.

(This applies to everyone reading this post)
Have you ever taking the time to make an appointment, sit down one on one at state Reps office and talk about your feelings about pending legislation/ views of on gun ownership. Try it, one of the problems of have freedoms is also having the responsibility of exercising your rights or you lose them by inaction or your part.

If you need some tips & pointers on how to do a meeting send me a PM, its not hard, and its kind of fun, just always try to keep it friendly and not take in personal.

I spent more time talking to other Reps (including many anti-gunners like Rep Cruz) than my own over the last dozen or so years trying to do something pro-active to solve the problems instead of doing nothing but complain about the problems.

All of you as a residents and tax payer of PA you every right to talk with any other state reps or senators, you pay their salaries and they still are supposed to represent everyone best interest in PA with their all votes, not just the people in their districts that elected them.


here are some talking points used in April pro-gun press conferance as examples
ACSL PA ANTI-GUN SUMMARY

http://acslpa.org/n-legislative/pa_p...egislation.htm

[WhiteFeather]

Here is a example of taking the time to do something in my local area to help two pro-gun state Reps out that do so much for all of US the rest of the time in Harrisburg.

Saturday Sept 15 2007 at the Palisades in McKeesport 10am to 1pm
501 water street in McKeesport (by boat docks)

Rep Marc Gergely & Rep Bill Kortz sportsmen and Outdoors expo
http://www.pahouse.com/PR/035081607.pdf


Note this event is about 20 min (max) from the PAFOA shoot, that I would much rather spend three hours at having fun shooting instead of volunteering to doing this event, my “free” time like many of your is very limited, so I have to do what is most important to me, first to protect my rights and have fun is second. Here is a prime opportunity to meet and personally discuss 2nd amendment issues with two state Reps, how many other PAFOA people will take advantage of the chance to be there besides me? I hope its not zero. They both know me by my first name from working with them in tha past, so I really don't have to go but I will be there just the same doing my tiny little part to help the cause out.

Keeping our gun rights requires work, lots of it. I guess that is why so many don’t bother with the responsibility of supporting their rights till something bad happens or a bad law that effects them negatively gets passed, and then its too late except to deal with the consequence or ramifications of inaction on their part

[PureRockFury]

Any word on how the case turned out/is progressing?