Urgent! Contact the Governor!

[Frenchy]

The Corner stone is what holds every thing in place, remove it, and any building will fall..

Originally Posted by Siobhra

I wish I could remember where I heard this so I could give proper credit.

Originally Posted by Siobhra

We are all born with the right to do anything we feel like doing.

I have the God-given right to steal from you.
I have the God-given right to kill you and/or your family.
You have the same rights.

First! I’ll correct that, God give you freedom to do what you want, but He does not give you the ‘Right” to do it.

http://www.gunowners.org/op0001.htm hits it on the head. Basically the major thing that changed in our society since all these school shootings started taking place is we dropped the ball on our forefather’s ideals in life.

This country was built on the Idea that the Government should not control laws and or make them based on ‘Church’ laws.

That Churches would have their laws and the general public would also have laws and together, there would be harmony. As a general rule, the laws complimented each other.

In the rare cases they did not, there would be ‘Concessions’ and Amendments to the laws. IE: Churches do not pay tax, their law is to give to “God”, as you cant “Tax” God the state would not carry a Tax on the Church.

A set of “Moral” Laws was instilled … Based on the 10 Commandments the law of the United States was written…
God was in all the documents, including the Pledge of allegiance, the National Anthem even speaks of God!
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall standBetween their loved home and the war's desolation!Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued landPraise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall waveO'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

This infuriated a very few, and they took action to remove God from every where. They removed the Ten Commandments from every public building. This included our Schools, our Court houses, Our Government buildings. They removed God from being allowed where the majority of people are. And we have now a “void” where fear of every thing is. Son you cant go killing fellow students… Where does it say that pops! On the Ten Commandments! Aren’t no “Commandments” in My School! I can kill at will! You can’t steal from others, you can’t Lust, and you can’t ignore laws… Well seems the Government disagrees, they proved this by removing the most fundamental thing we had, “GOD” from our lives. The one thing that the Law is based upon… The “Corner Stone” of America. Now the people (with bad intent) are not satisfied with just plain old kids, they are reaching out and hurting the only place in America where God still lives in Schools! The Amish… Have you ever noticed; these Killers go on to suicide after? They don’t believe in God, they have other “gods”. And these “Other” gods don’t live by the Ten Commandments. They have their own rules. Ones that include “Guilt’s”… Silly child chant, ‘Sticks and stones can break my bones but God protects my soul’ what happens when God is not there to Protect the Soul? Bring God back to the people, and see what happens in “society” and even in Schools. I’m going to bore you all now with this Bible text, it comes from the chapters of Luke 18 See how it relates to our times!

LK 18:1 He also spoke a parable to them that they must always pray, and not give up,
LK 18:2 saying, "There was a judge in a certain city who didn't fear God, and didn't respect man.
LK 18:3 A widow was in that city, and she often came to him, saying, 'Defend me from my adversary!'
LK 18:4 He wouldn't for a while, but afterward he said to himself, 'Though I neither fear God, nor respect man,
LK 18:5 yet because this widow bothers me, I will defend her, or else she will wear me out by her continual coming.'"
LK 18:6 The Lord said, "Listen to what the unrighteous judge says.
LK 18:7 Won't God avenge his chosen ones, who are crying out to him day and night, and yet he exercises patience with them?
LK 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them quickly. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?"
LK 18:9 He spoke also this parable to certain people who were convinced of their own righteousness, and who despised all others.
LK 18:10 "Two men went up into the temple to pray; one was a Pharisee, and the other was a tax collector.
LK 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed to himself like this: 'God, I thank you, that I am not like the rest of men, extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.
LK 18:12 I fast twice a week. I give tithes of all that I get.'
LK 18:13 But the tax collector, standing far away, wouldn't even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, a sinner!'
LK 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."
LK 18:15 They were also bringing their babies to him, that he might touch them. But when the disciples saw it, they rebuked them.
LK 18:16 Jesus summoned them, saying, "Allow the little children to come to me, and don't hinder them, for the Kingdom of God belongs to such as these.
LK 18:17 Most certainly, I tell you, whoever doesn't receive the Kingdom of God like a little child, he will in no way enter into it."
LK 18:18 A certain ruler asked him, saying, "Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"
LK 18:19 Jesus asked him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good, except one--God.
LK 18:20 You know the commandments: 'Don't commit adultery,' 'Don't murder,' 'Don't steal,' 'Don't give false testimony,' 'Honor your father and your mother.'"{Exodus 20:12-16; Deuteronomy 5:16-20}
LK 18:21 He said, "I have observed all these things from my youth up."
LK 18:22 When Jesus heard these things, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell all that you have, and distribute it to the poor. You will have treasure in heaven. Come, follow me."

Until the government replaces the corner stone this great country was built on, there will be no peace; Freedom will be shattered, just like the house with out a corner stone. The Amendments we so believe in, are protected by the laws of the church, remove the church, and you weaken any amendment the government made to protect its people.

I dun did it again! wrote half a book on this post!

[danp]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

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I disagree with just about every single point you've made here, but to each his own.

If our law was based on the 10 commandments I don't think we could call ourself a free country, fortunately only 3 of them are inscribed in our law (Murder, Stealing, Perjury)

I have always been of the opinion that Religion has a very important place in civilization, but that place is very far away and detached from government in almost every aspect. I guess I'm one of "those people".

There are completely non-religious ways to come to the exact same conclusion of freedom, morals, and responsibility. I personally believe that's what our country was founded on and is the best path. Afterall, if someone does not subscribe to a religion or does not believe in God, does that mean they have no moral base and no source of rights and freedom?

[Siobhra]

Frenchy does have a point with 'freedom' and 'right'. We are given the freedom.

However the church's of this country sort of overstepped a bit. They used and still use their religion to push their religion on others. I am not a Christian. I am a Witch. My religion allows same-sex marriages yet we outlaw same-sex marriage because the largest religion does not allow it. They use the fact of 'under God' in the pledge and the Bible in schools to prove that their religion is the base of the country. The things in the Ten Commandments were around long before Moses in one form or another.

If the religion is used as a tool to cause harm can you blame the victim for trying to disarm the attacker? Yes, we do need more God and Goddess in this country but we need a whole lot less of any one religion dominance.

[LorDiego01]

I found this little gem. I hope you guys enjoy it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8cN2pB3MCE
"Flirting with a Westboro Church man"

[Spectre6]

That dickhead Phelps is trying to incite an incident so he can go sue someone.

Its not a church, its a cult.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Spectre6

That dickhead Phelps is trying to incite an incident so he can go sue someone.

Its not a church, its a cult.

I agree. I did some reading about that so-called "church" It is comprised mainly of that sicko (disbarred lawyer-turned Baptist "preacher", his abused wife, most of their 13 kids (at least a few of them got smart and got the heck AWAY from that lunatic) and their spouses and kids. The "church" is located in Papa psycho's house, and the kids bought up all the adjacent houses so that they have themselves their own little compoud with a shared "backyard". The kids growed up and got too big for him to abuse any longer, so now he is turning his hate elsewhere (basically, to anyone who isn't part of his little clan) and blaming all the evils of the world on everyone else. Sick, sick, SICK! "God" doesn't hate, PEOPLE hate, and the evils of the world come down to the choices that PEOPLE make. God/Goddess represents the proper balance that our world should have, were PEOPLE not making irresponsible, selfish choices. Phelp's kind of "religion" is something we can ALL do without!

[Buckmark.35]

Originally Posted by danp

There are completely non-religious ways to come to the exact same conclusion of freedom, morals, and responsibility. I personally believe that's what our country was founded on and is the best path. Afterall, if someone does not subscribe to a religion or does not believe in God, does that mean they have no moral base and no source of rights and freedom?

I want to help solidify Dan's point from a biblical POV. Let me start by quoting scripture:

The following is from Mark 9:38-42

38 John said unto him, Teacher, we saw one casting out demons in thy name; and we forbade him, because he followed not us.

39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man who shall do a mighty work in my name, and be able quickly to speak evil of me.

40 For he that is not against us is for us.

41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink, because ye are Christ's, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.

42 And whosoever shall cause one of these little ones that believe on me to stumble, it were better for him if a great millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

Jesus corrected the disciples because they were condemning a man, even though that the man did works according to Jesus' example, and under His name. Jesus' point was that it doesn't matter what name the deeds are done under... As long as the works being done follow Jesus' example.

It is in this way that we can understand the similarities between the structure of the consititution and its foundations in Christianity. Many of the men who influenced the conception of our nation were Christian, and some were not.

What the men all had in common, was respect and decency. They understood what was morally just. Not in a religious sense.. but in a human sense. The ideals that they drafted and fought for were a product of understanding and thoughtfullness, rather than of straight up religious zealousy.

Much of what we consider to be human right, is consistent with the moral standard that exists in the bible. This is not to say that human rights were born out of the church... but that human rights activists and christian ideals share the same principles.

Some, like myself, prefer to acknowldege the existence of a God, and therefore lead a purposeful life fueled by that premise. Others, like as have stated, may belong to different religions and maybe no religion at all. What is important, is not the religious affiliation of a person... what is important is their devotion to human morality.

Blaming the removal of God from our schools and government buildings for irrational violence, is what breeds fundamentalism. What we should be more worried about is why more and more, we see people that are morally bankrupt. For some reason these people have no code of HUMAN MORALITY.... Not religious morality.