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A Critical Decision
by Michael Gaddy via lewrockwell.com

Members of all branches of the United States Military will soon be facing a most critical decision. The European Union Times is reporting here that Obama is using the deployment of additional troops to Afghanistan to cover for the movement of some 200,000 troops, presently on duty in countries other than Iraq and Afghanistan, to USNORTHCOM to prepare for the "expected outbreak of Civil War within the United States before the end of winter."

It would appear those who call themselves "public servants" believe the people they supposedly serve have become dissatisfied with their job performance and will resort to some form of civil disobedience, which will necessitate military intervention. According to the article, Obama believes the reason for this civil unrest to be an expected "implosion" of this countryís financial systems. Should these events occur, members of the military would be forced to decide whether they would support their government, which gave hundreds of billions to government cronies in the financial sector, or their country.

A prudent man would speculate if the government so fears coming civil unrest, will they move to seize firearms throughout the country and use these military forces along with law enforcement to do so? I believe the answer can be found in the events surrounding the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Government forces there not only seized firearms from private citizens but also relocated many citizens against their will.

Millions of Americans have prayed for the safety of the military as they fight the governmentís wars all over the planet. Many believe the military to be defending the country from enemies that would take our weapons and our freedoms. What will their actions be when the US military becomes that enemy? Will the military willingly participate in such acts? Such are questions the future holds.

The government has spent decades defining those who oppose its unlawful exploits as enemies of the state. Those who can or will not differentiate between the government and the country have fallen hook, line and sinker for this demonization of those who demand the government operate within the constraints of the Constitution and moral law. Most of those who blindly support the illegal actions of the government have been bought and paid for with the taxes of those who actually produce something. Unfortunately, primary among those bought-and-paid-for entities are law enforcement and the military.

Both political parties have conducted this demonization of true Patriots. While the democrats have been traditionally anti-gun and liberty, the republicans bought into the program with the fascist Patriot Act and the illegal, unconstitutional War on Terror. The two dominant political parties in this country are two wings of the same vulture: blatant in-your-face socialism. There are no answers to our problems to be found in either political party.

Many on the right have bought into the ideas expressed by leaders of the military that all who oppose the state and its illegal agenda should be treated no differently than the "insurgents" the military has been facing in Iraq and Afghanistan. Nowhere is that better illustrated than here where a law enforcement publication is advocating military tactics promoted by General David Petraeus be used against those whom the state defines as its enemies. While the article in Guns and Weapons for Law Enforcement speaks specifically of gangs and drug activity, donít forget the Department of Homeland Security has defined millions of patriotic Americans and veterans as possible domestic terrorists in its report sent to LE agencies on April 7th of 2009. If you wonder if you fit the definition of possible domestic terrorist, you should check here.

If the European Union Times report is correct and Obama is moving to strengthen USNORTHCOM with anywhere near the numbers mentioned, indicates the fedgov fears its own citizens much more than it fears al Qaeda. Either the government is anticipating a total financial breakdown, there are plans to confiscate firearms, a new false flag event is in the works, or any combination of the three. Either way, they plan on this event occurring before spring of 2010.

On the minds of many Americans and politicians is exactly how will the military and law enforcement react if told to confiscate firearms or move American citizens to FEMA camps.

Consideration must be given to the militarization of law enforcement entities in this country over the past few decades and our gradual decline into a police state, thanks to the bogus War on Terror. That being said, some police blogs such as this one indicate not all law enforcement personnel are on board with these illegal and corrupt practices. When considering possible actions of military personnel one must be aware of the felons and gang members who became part of the military when recruiters were falling short of their goals. Nothing could be better for a felon or a gang-banger than to actually be ordered to commit crimes with impunity. At some point in time, any true American serving in the military will be forced to ask themselves exactly what and whom they are defending and exactly what became of the "home of the free?"

What will be the reaction of the soldier from Colorado who is confiscating guns and placing so-called domestic terrorists in detention camps in Ohio when he gets word other soldiers are doing the same to his family and friends back home? Who will soldiers and law enforcement officers side with when push comes to shove: the government who has given over a trillion dollars to their cronies in the financial industry, failed to provide their brother/sister veterans competent medical care, denied disability benefits, denied compensation for treatment as prisoners of war, placed single parents in confinement and taken their children, or their family and friends who have lost their jobs and are seeing their homes and farms foreclosed by the same bankers who received huge bonuses from the bailout money? If military and law enforcement personnel begin to side with the citizens, will the fedgov call in United Nations forces to subdue those who cherish personal freedom and will fight to retain it?

Regardless of which series of events occur, Americans will be the losers. Brace yourselves and prepare, this is going to get real ugly.
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i'm tellin' ya man...

we don't have to worry about this. we are all going to die of the ukranian superflu first.

seriously.

or not.

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a prudent man would not get so worked up about every single latest conspiracy theory and would demand at least a shred of credible evidence before reporting about them.

of course, the world has ended at least 6 times in the last decade, so we aren't even really here. so, nobody is around to actually read this drivel anyway.

the sad part is that lew rockwell, alex jones, etc. all have some interesting things to say from time to time. too bad they continually blow any credibility they might have by repeatedly running around screaming about the sky falling based on incredible, undocumented "reports" from sources that make the national enquirer look like a bastion of intellectual honesty and journalistic integrity. (seriously, try to do some research on the "European Union Times"...i can't even find conclusive proof it even exists. the link in the lew rockwell article gets a page not found error. there is a site called eutimes.net, but it has no content.)

yet another hole in the credibility of lew rockwell...not that there was much left to poke holes in to begin with.
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I don't have all the answers, however, here is my take as a vet.
When I was a young troop, I followed orders an an automaton would. After I got a couple of stripes, I started to think for myself and questioned whether orders were lawful or not. Questioned that is, in my head, not aloud, and I did it instantly so that, if I decided I needed to follow said order, there was no discernable delay in acting on it.
I believe this is exactly what will occur if it comes down to it here on our shores. Of course, most enlisted junior military members do not have a clue as to what 'Posse Comitatus" is or means. Perhaps it is our duty to inform them. I have no doubt that the officers know exactly what it says/means, but they will not impart that to the troops. Not if they want a long career in the US military , that is. So, my take is that on initial order to confiscate guns, or fire on US civilians, the younger troops will do as ordered. However, this will be followed shortly by Junior and Senior NCO's countermanding those orders and having the troops 'stand down'. This will end their careers, but will also have the added effect of bolstering the amount of guns, and other cool weaponry, on our side of the coming battle.
Law Enforcement types are the 'wild card'. They are supposed to know and enforce the law. Will they? Big question there! Some will, some won't. I think the results will surprise us all. If you ask a hundred people what they think the result would be, most will say, "The older ones will 'defect' to our side and the youngsters will follow orders." My personal thoughts are that this is upside down from reality.
I believe the older ones will try to ensure their pensions do not get disrupted. Meanwhile the younger, better educated ones will see the error in that thinking and 'defect' to our side or simply disengage in protest. This leaves another group, the really dangerous group and most of us have dealt with them before. The JBT crowd that dispenses opinion enforcement regardless of the law. These will probably be the ones to open fire with glee on citizens. These are the guys to be avoided at all costs, or at least stay out of their field of fire when the SHTF. It would be wrong of me to continue my thoughts as to what should happen to this group until they actually commit themselves to doing the wrong thing. I may be wrong, but it is my opinion, based on history and observation, that this group doesn't care what the Constitution says. As I said, these are the dangerous ones!
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"Will U.S. soldiers take our guns?"....................NO

NATO WILL

It would be damn near impossible to get a soldier to kill his brother, father or son and desecrate the very thing they swore to protect. However, it would be way to simple to call in the world wide gun grabbers (NATO) who will show no bias to U.S. citizens.
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I meant to add, the OP inferred that the Gov has spent decades giving money to the military/industrial complex and therefore the troops might have an allegiance to them. I don't remember anybody in the military that had any love for any defense contractor/supplier. Mostly we hated them for sending us 'low bid' garbage equipment. So, no, there isn't any chance the military will act against US civilians out of allegiance to the mil/ind complex. There is lots of chance, and a good bit of probability, that they will for the reasons I outlined in my previous post.

Note: I do not read or subscribe to any of the 'doomsayer' rags or websites. I get my news from several different sources, and glean the truth out by weighing all the information available. I find Fox news gets it pretty close to right more often than not.

Perhaps it is a good idea for us, as we interact with military, and especially with LEO types, to ask them what they intend to do if ordered to confiscate our guns, or if ordered to fire on us. Maybe we can get them to educate themselves just because we asked the question.
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Nuremberg defense

"The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him."

Civil war is exactly the eventuality that the 2nd Amendment was written for. But I don't see this happening in the next three months and by the end of 2010 the congress will most likely be Republican if Obama, the Senate and House continue on the path they have set. If Obama declares Marshall law after that, we will be saying President Biden after the brief impeachment proceedings.

This is just not a credible scenario. It is wishful thinking by the enemies of the US. That said, I wish now that my terrible boating accident did not leave me weaponless.

Lol at NATO invading the US.

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"Will U.S. soldiers take our guns?"....................NO

NATO WILL

It would be damn near impossible to get a soldier to kill his brother, father or son and desecrate the very thing they swore to protect. However, it would be way to simple to call in the world wide gun grabbers (NATO) who will show no bias to U.S. citizens.
I do believe the majority of U.S. fighting men and women will balk at the idea of disarming the populace. I also believe that if people from foreign shores showed up trying to disarm the citizenry (which would go over like a beer fart in church) at the behest of the .Gov, the .Gov would create a self-fulfilling prophesy... and there are a LOT more of US than there are of them.
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