The land of milk and honey - The reality of a complete gun ban

[Yellowfin]

Originally Posted by buster2209

Haha, i know what you mean!

Can you imagine the founding fathers, after 8 years of war, the British are finally defeated and the King recognises the independence of the former British Colony. The founding fathers are debating back and forth over how to create a government by the people and for the people and the anti-federalists are worried that this new Federal Government will just be as tyrannical as the British Government. So Madison, and Jefferson and the other anti-federalists work tirelessly to get the bill of rights attached to the constitution and one of there concerns is that people don't have there guns taken away so they can hunt! It's bloody preposterous!!

It's much more fundamental than that. I'm talking about winning against the anti gun movement at the ballot box and by extension the courts and even more so as a culture at large. We are about 60 years behind and have only had the last 5-10 catching up to the fact that we sat our on butts with this absurd "guns are for hunting" attitude making ourselves politically irrelevant and barely above being culturally extinct. The other side has been on offense the entire time and it was MAYBE by '93 or so we even woke up and realized we had a fight on our hands.

This is not a "Whoops, oh man, I'm sorry, lemme clean that up" situation, this is an "Oh crap, we'd better swerve out of the wrong side of traffic because that's 10 ton dump truck" situation.

The problem is, and the Californians have become aware of this and have corrected it and now they're gaining ground, that the hunting segment of the population relative to the total population is shrinking and thus relying on them to carry the gun rights cause is STUPID BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO LOSE. Why? Identity politics. Simply put 50-70% of the population in a fairly large number of states isn't in a place where hunting is practical for them nor do the people of such areas identify with what they envision a hunter or firearms owner to be. Hence they hold at very least no loyalty to gun rights and can easily be tilted towards being averse to it. They don't see themselves being interested in an expensive, inconvenient, unfamiliar, impractical, and dangerous hobby which they have lots of very bad information and little if any good. There's nothing in that for them to like. The George Washington stuff isn't going to impress them either--who cares about what some dead dude said 200 years ago in language they barely recognize with ideas and values they don't see as relevant. Of course they're wrong, but meanwhile these people are making laws with or without us that we're stuck with no matter what, so beating this problem is job #1.

So it's either ditch the camo and old white guys with beards and deer guns image and start talking LCTF's for sorority girls and your Indian and Chinese neighbors or it's bye bye 2nd Amendment for everyone.

[Halftrack]

Originally Posted by Pyrotek85

What keeps them from slashing with the non-stabby knives anyhow? Did they forget that slashes are deadly too?

Or you just take the knife and sharpen a stick to a point and run somebody through with it. They call it a spear.

It's so easy even a caveman could do it. No, wait, that's .... never mind.

Now we'll have to ban wooden broomsticks.

[schmol]

Nice post, but think of it this, the people of england have always been subjects going far back as before the dark ages. you know what they say, history repeats itself...

[buster2209]

Originally Posted by schmol

Nice post, but think of it this, the people of england have always been subjects going far back as before the dark ages. you know what they say, history repeats itself...

I'm English, my wife is American. We didn't even have a discussion about which country we would live in, it isn't really a contest. The only thing England can trump America on is History; Westminster Abbey, York Cathedral, Hadrian's wall, etc, but we were more concerned with the important things; standard of living, jobs, freedom, weather, etc, etc.

[LorDiego01]

Several years ago, I used to work with a British woman.

I was always astounded at her stories of walking on the street and being outright terrorized by "teenagers". Apparently, the young kids didn't care, knew you were defenseless, knew you couldn't "touch" them in any way shape or form; so they'd just terrorize the people in the neighborhood.

Teenagers.

[R.Thompson]

Originally Posted by buster2209

I'm English, my wife is American. We didn't even have a discussion about which country we would live in, it isn't really a contest. The only thing England can trump America on is History; Westminster Abbey, York Cathedral, Hadrian's wall, etc, but we were more concerned with the important things; standard of living, jobs, freedom, weather, etc, etc.

Ditto

The irony is that the US Bill of Rights is based in large part on what was at the time the English Bill of Rights. Luckily the founders here wrote it in such a way as to make it really hard to repeal. Unfortunately in the UK the rights which the barons and then parlimentarians fought to gain from the crown have been gradually eroded over the years by parliament...

history repeats itself... everywhere. +1 rep for a great summary

[Adam-12]

Originally Posted by buster2209

The next logical stab is that the British Government bans all knives except anti-stab knives.

An 'anti-stab' knife

I can't wait to see their "anti-slash-the-carotid" knife. Dull as a cricket bat--which, by the way, MUST be the next thing to get banned.

[buster2209]

Here's another British lunacy story containing firearms. Take note of this bit;

But British team members face having to do all their 2012 preparations abroad.

Welcome to the Twilight Zone, we colloquially call it Britain!

[kevindsingleton]

Originally Posted by buster2209

The sociopaths that run the British Government see there role as parents over there children (the British public) so in there eyes, there protecting us (the British public).

Ha ha! Managed to get "there/their/they're" wrong in every single instance in only one sentence! And, they say American butcher the English language!

Nicely played, sir, great article, and welcome to PAFOA!

[buster2209]

Originally Posted by kevindsingleton

Ha ha! Managed to get "there/their/they're" wrong in every single instance in only one sentence! And, they say American butcher the English language!

Nicely played, sir!

It was late, I was tired. I'm an engineer, we aren't renowned for our writing skills!