AR15 Mags

[fultonCoShooter]

I personally wanna get the best price on a item when im buying a new part for my AR why pay more?

Like aubie said and i agree there are cheaper place to shop.

some places realize if they sell a product a few dollars cheaper or have free shipping they will sell more product.


Thats how i look things and i shop at places who arnt trying to make a extra buck on me. Like the guy who sells D&H mags at the gun shows for $17.00 a mag. Ive asked him to sell me 10 mags for $120.00 and he said no like i was crazy. So i went home and ordered 10 from 44mag.com got 10 mags with magpul followers for $110.00 and free S&H

Screw dealers and vendors who think your crazy because you know how much you can buy it for on the internet.

People dont pay sticker for cars or MSRP on firearms why pay MAP on parts PSSH

im sure the dealers make plenty of profit off each product. Like a magpul CRT stock prolly cost a dealer 50 or 60 bucks and then they sell them for 90-100

I have no problems with grant and none with aubie. But for Grant to say "I DONT want your business" wow just wow

[C4iGrant]

Originally Posted by SharpShooter88

This is very true. Personally I find the comments about his business past unnecessary. If someone is going to do business with him and heres about his past, they should ask HIM and not listen to all the BS and mumbo jumbo going on on this forum. I am not attacking anyone, But aubie you say this thread is getting way off topic in an attempt to get it back on topic, then you continue to go on and keep it off topic. IMO this thread should be closed and if you guys have a personal gripe or W/E you can take it up in PMs or something, dont trash talk the forums to hell B/c I am on here to read Valuable opinions and learn, not read trash talk. If I wanted to hear that I would just go into lancaster city! Enough is enough....Now can we get back on topic...please?

Thanks SS88. When I saw what Aubie had said about my company and tried to imply, I took it straight to PM's to keep from wasting BW and dragging the forum down with it. He viewed that as a sign of weakness that I didn't want to discuss it out in the open. I have zero problem with going at in in front of others (and actually would like the chance to clear some of the misconceptions up), but it is simply a waste of everyones time and energy.



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[C4iGrant]

Originally Posted by fultonCoShooter

I personally wanna get the best price on a item when im buying a new part for my AR why pay more?

Understand. Sometimes though, cheapest is not always better. Technical knowledge/experience is worth a lot as well. Sometimes an extra 1.00 is worth it.

Like aubie said and i agree there are cheaper place to shop.

We do NOT pride ourselves on being the cheapest shop on the internet. We do however try to posses the most technical knowledge on the products we sell.

I would suggest that you price compare with us a little more closely. Some times we will be cheaper and sometimes we will be a little more. All dealers will be like this.

some places realize if they sell a product a few dollars cheaper or have free shipping they will sell more product.

Some dealers don't realize that they are losing money on the deal. Other dealers advise me that free shipping was a mistake. They also ship via 1st class mail or at best USPS Priority with NO insurance and no tracking number. We on the other hand use UPS insured for all our packages and our customes get a tracking number. We have found that most of our customers prefer this.

Thats how i look things and i shop at places who arnt trying to make a extra buck on me. Like the guy who sells D&H mags at the gun shows for $17.00 a mag. Ive asked him to sell me 10 mags for $120.00 and he said no like i was crazy. So i went home and ordered 10 from 44mag.com got 10 mags with magpul followers for $110.00 and free S&H

Some dealers aren't just trying to make beer/ammo money. They are trying to feed a family. The 44mag price is nothing spectacular and price match them all the time (no problem). All it takes is a simple phone call/e-mail to tell us what your interested in an the QTY.

People dont pay sticker for cars or MSRP on firearms why pay MAP on parts PSSH

Well actually some people do pay sticker for cars and MSRP or over MSRP for guns (if they are hard to get). I do not follow MAP on ANY product that a customer contacts me for. I do however HAVE to follow MAP on my website in order to keep my account.

im sure the dealers make plenty of profit off each product. Like a magpul CRT stock prolly cost a dealer 50 or 60 bucks and then they sell them for 90-100

This is my favorite part. The consumer guestimating how much dealers pay for things or how much profit they make. The average profit margin for most dealers is between 15-20%. Then take away from the fact that they have to cover shipping of the product, CC fees, Utilities for their storage facility or shop, liability insurance for the building, liability insurace for the products they sell, federal taxes, state taxes, licenses (FFL/SOT, etc). That 15-20% profit just turned into 5-10%.

So not only are you wrong that dealers make a lot of money, but your also wrong on the price of the Magpul CTR stock.

I have no problems with grant and none with aubie. But for Grant to say "I DONT want your business" wow just wow

Make sure you read what I said correctly. I do NOT want business from ANYONE that attacks my company. This is why I do NOT want Aubie as a customer.


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[fultonCoShooter]

Originally Posted by C4iGrant

Understand. Sometimes though, cheapest is not always better. Technical knowledge/experience is worth a lot as well. Sometimes an extra 1.00 is worth it.



We do NOT pride ourselves on being the cheapest shop on the internet. We do however try to posses the most technical knowledge on the products we sell.

I would suggest that you price compare with us a little more closely. Some times we will be cheaper and sometimes we will be a little more. All dealers will be like this.



Some dealers don't realize that they are losing money on the deal. Other dealers advise me that free shipping was a mistake. They also ship via 1st class mail or at best USPS Priority with NO insurance and no tracking number. We on the other hand use UPS insured for all our packages and our customes get a tracking number. We have found that most of our customers prefer this.




Some dealers aren't just trying to make beer/ammo money. They are trying to feed a family. The 44mag price is nothing spectacular and price match them all the time (no problem). All it takes is a simple phone call/e-mail to tell us what your interested in an the QTY.



Well actually some people do pay sticker for cars and MSRP or over MSRP for guns (if they are hard to get). I do not follow MAP on ANY product that a customer contacts me for. I do however HAVE to follow MAP on my website in order to keep my account.



This is my favorite part. The consumer guestimating how much dealers pay for things or how much profit they make. The average profit margin for most dealers is between 15-20%. Then take away from the fact that they have to cover shipping of the product, CC fees, Utilities for their storage facility or shop, liability insurance for the building, liability insurace for the products they sell, federal taxes, state taxes, licenses (FFL/SOT, etc). That 15-20% profit just turned into 5-10%.

So not only are you wrong that dealers make a lot of money, but your also wrong on the price of the Magpul CTR stock.



Make sure you read what I said correctly. I do NOT want business from ANYONE that attacks my company. This is why I do NOT want Aubie as a customer.


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1 Technical knowledge/experience is worth a lot as well. Sometimes an extra 1.00 is worth it.

you say this like its a hard job to install a BUIS or a replacement stock or a grip.
I can get all the technical info from the companies who sell the product or AR15.com so i dont see this a reason to pay more.

2 Well actually some people do pay sticker for cars

i sold cars for 5 years and no one ever payed sticker atleast that i ever saw.

3 but your also wrong on the price of the Magpul CTR stock.

so what is dealer price on a CTR $65 70 bucks?


i could say more but it doesnt matter cause you would just argue to justify your store and thats fine. This is America and everything is about that dollar now adays


just like this is a Pa site and your from ohio which makes me question why your here at all.


just to make this short and sweet your prices sucks and your way too cocky for my liking so add me to the list of people you wont sell too

[C4iGrant]

Originally Posted by fultonCoShooter

1 Technical knowledge/experience is worth a lot as well. Sometimes an extra 1.00 is worth it.

you say this like its a hard job to install a BUIS or a replacement stock or a grip.
I can get all the technical info from the companies who sell the product or AR15.com so i dont see this a reason to pay more.

You would be amazed at how many screw up the installation of a mount or BUIS as they do not know that they need to degrease both the screw and nut and use blue loctite.

Getting a manufacturer on the phone can be very hard. To get someone from that manufacturer that actually knows anything technical about their product is even harder (as most of folks that answer the phone are not into guns or gun parts).

Ah yes, the errornet for your technical knowledge. Bad idea (generally). The forum you listed as well is a horrible place to get good, technical info.

So you call me up and order your BUIS. You then ask me the proper way to install it. I inform you on how to do it properly. Very simply, easy and accurate. Was that worth the extra $1.00? Sure was.

I know were using a BUIS as an example and it is a very simple thing to do, but where a real good technical dealer comes in handy is knowing mount heights and what BUIS will fit under what scope/ACOG, what barrels have M4 barrel extensions and what ones don't, which receivers have M4 cuts and which ones don't, proper torque values on various components, etc etc.

2 Well actually some people do pay sticker for cars

i sold cars for 5 years and no one ever payed sticker atleast that i ever saw.

I have never paid stick in my life, but there are a lot that do.

3 but your also wrong on the price of the Magpul CTR stock.

so what is dealer price on a CTR $65 70 bucks?

Manufacturers forbid dealers from giving away their pricing info as it grounds for dismissal so I will pass (sorry).

i could say more but it doesnt matter cause you would just argue to justify your store and thats fine. This is America and everything is about that dollar now adays

Please do say more. I am all for it and would LOVE to hear it! If you don't want to waste BW, drop me an e-mail so we can discuss it further. I also have a 1-800 number and am close to PA. Come in for a visit!

I agree that everything is about the cost, when it should be about the quality, customer service and knowledge of the product. I am always amazed how everyone wants something for nothing (or close to it).

I would also like for someone to show me where I am price gouging and or my prices are way over the competition. No one has been able to do this yet. So your point that I am way over priced just isn't accurate.

just like this is a Pa site and your from ohio which makes me question why your here at all.

This is an easy one. I am your neighboring state and Ohio doesn't have a good forum like this one. I also have a lot of PA customers so this is a good forum for us I think.

just to make this short and sweet your prices sucks and your way too cocky for my liking so add me to the list of people you wont sell too

Really? Got a single example of this?? It is nice to talk smack, but once an awhile you need to back up what your talking about. So how bought it, give me some links to show how I am the highest guy on the net on all the products we sell.

If cocky is defined by not letting people run over my business by trying to put out falser rumors, then I can live with that description. Just because I don't roll over let people saw whatever they want, doesn't make me cocky.

Someone that insults my company (that I have worked very hard to build) is a troll to me and I do not want their business. I will NOT roll over kiss someones ass for a sale as nothing is worth that.

Here is a question for you. Imagine that you owned a business. I hear some rumor about your company and decided to stand outside your store front and tell every customer that came in this rumor. Now I had no idea if this rumor was true or not, but just thought I would be an asshat and try to screw with your business.

Would that piss you off? Would you just sit quietly in your store and watch it happen? Or would you come out and tell them to shut their pie hole?

I am not a pacifist.



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[C4iGrant]

fultonCoShooter, ya know I read your comment about "why are you I on a PA gun forum" and kind of blew it off. After further thought, it was a pretty chitty thing to say (and a stupid one). What does it matter where someone lives? If they have technical knowledge, why WOULDN'T you want them around? One would think that the more technical/helpful members this forum had, the better off it would be.

The owner doesn't have a problem with me on here so I am not sure why you would. Is it because I don't give gear away at my cost? Is because I defend my company? Is it because I don't agree with what you have to say? I am sure you have a "logical" reason, but for the life of me, cannot figure it out.



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[SharpShooter88]

wow this is like the nets worst gangbang...What is with all this childish off topic bickering again guys? Cmon I thought we settled this...Get over yourselves guys....Period. I know you all have differing opionions but there is NO reason he can not be on the PAFOA.org site. If it was stricktly forbidding non-residents, it would say so. I honestly value the opinion of a business man because no matter how good or bad his business may be, it is still a learning experience for him and could be for all of us, we could learn from his mistakes and such and put them to good use, instead of sitting here gang raping his ass because....why? So what he made a few shitty decisions and so what it pissed off a few people!!! Quit living in the past and as for the opinions on his company they are opinions and this is a free country the last time I checked, so they are aloud to be heard...But do you guys have to be so shrewd about all this stuff....This is really starting to piss even me off and I am a generally calm person....Now with all that said....PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC...I am on here to here valued opinions on AR mags, not read a bunch of whiney crap...

[fultonCoShooter]

Originally Posted by C4iGrant

You would be amazed at how many screw up the installation of a mount or BUIS as they do not know that they need to degrease both the screw and nut and use blue loctite.

Getting a manufacturer on the phone can be very hard. To get someone from that manufacturer that actually knows anything technical about their product is even harder (as most of folks that answer the phone are not into guns or gun parts).

Ah yes, the errornet for your technical knowledge. Bad idea (generally). The forum you listed as well is a horrible place to get good, technical info.

So you call me up and order your BUIS. You then ask me the proper way to install it. I inform you on how to do it properly. Very simply, easy and accurate. Was that worth the extra $1.00? Sure was.

I know were using a BUIS as an example and it is a very simple thing to do, but where a real good technical dealer comes in handy is knowing mount heights and what BUIS will fit under what scope/ACOG, what barrels have M4 barrel extensions and what ones don't, which receivers have M4 cuts and which ones don't, proper torque values on various components, etc etc.



I have never paid stick in my life, but there are a lot that do.



Manufacturers forbid dealers from giving away their pricing info as it grounds for dismissal so I will pass (sorry).



Please do say more. I am all for it and would LOVE to hear it! If you don't want to waste BW, drop me an e-mail so we can discuss it further. I also have a 1-800 number and am close to PA. Come in for a visit!

I agree that everything is about the cost, when it should be about the quality, customer service and knowledge of the product. I am always amazed how everyone wants something for nothing (or close to it).

I would also like for someone to show me where I am price gouging and or my prices are way over the competition. No one has been able to do this yet. So your point that I am way over priced just isn't accurate.



This is an easy one. I am your neighboring state and Ohio doesn't have a good forum like this one. I also have a lot of PA customers so this is a good forum for us I think.




Really? Got a single example of this?? It is nice to talk smack, but once an awhile you need to back up what your talking about. So how bought it, give me some links to show how I am the highest guy on the net on all the products we sell.

If cocky is defined by not letting people run over my business by trying to put out falser rumors, then I can live with that description. Just because I don't roll over let people saw whatever they want, doesn't make me cocky.

Someone that insults my company (that I have worked very hard to build) is a troll to me and I do not want their business. I will NOT roll over kiss someones ass for a sale as nothing is worth that.

Here is a question for you. Imagine that you owned a business. I hear some rumor about your company and decided to stand outside your store front and tell every customer that came in this rumor. Now I had no idea if this rumor was true or not, but just thought I would be an asshat and try to screw with your business.

Would that piss you off? Would you just sit quietly in your store and watch it happen? Or would you come out and tell them to shut their pie hole?

I am not a pacifist.



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do you actually believe the shit that comes out of your mouth?

[fultonCoShooter]

you want a example of your crappy prices you sell LMT buis for $120 plus shipping i can buy them all day on another website for $94 with free S&H

other price include the eotech 552 you want $459.00 plus s&h i can get one from another website for $387.00

your aimpoint m4 you want $702 for i saw one on ebay for $575 and i can buy one from a website for $655

[SharpShooter88]

Wow...I am out of this thread now...I can see this little dispute is just gonna keep on feeding itself into a full blown pile of crap so I am gone. Thanks guys!