What to do with PSP registered ar-15 lower?

[archangel689]

I've decided I don't want a psp registered lower. I was confused and had little knowledge of what was going on when I bought the lower. I feel violated.

I don't want it. How do I get rid of it? I was told the psp paperwork has to be kept along side the receiver for forever. additionally I will not longer do business with bravermans.

[fingers80002]

There is NO registration in Pa!!!

[archangel689]

Then can I smash it with a sledge hammer and mail it to the psp with the paperwork?

[General Geoff]

The paperwork is merely a record of sale that the PSP maintains in a semi-legal database. It is not considered a registry because handguns which are brought into the state by new PA residents, as well as handguns which were purchased before the database was established, are not included in the database. As such, they also cannot legally use the database as a registry (they can't confiscate your weapon just because the serial number is not recorded in their database as transferred to you).

Then can I smash it with a sledge hammer and mail it to the psp with the paperwork?

Sure, if you really want. I wouldn't bother though, I'd just keep the lower OR build a rifle out of it, and trade someone else for a similar AR. No PSP sales record/FFL transfer requirements for rifles.

[ErSwnn]

Hey...I'll take that off your hands! I won't even charge a disposal fee. I'll do anything within my power to help a fellow PAFOAer out of a jam.

[Guns4Fun]

Originally Posted by General Geoff

The paperwork is merely a record of sale that the PSP maintains in a semi-legal database. It is not considered a registry because handguns which are brought into the state by new PA residents, as well as handguns which were purchased before the database was established, are not included in the database. As such, they also cannot legally use the database as a registry (they can't confiscate your weapon just because the serial number is not recorded in their database as transferred to you).




Sure, if you really want. I wouldn't bother though, I'd just keep the lower OR build a rifle out of it, and trade someone else for a similar AR. No PSP sales record/FFL transfer requirements for rifles.

Ahh but see, this is where things could get a little fuzzy. Lets say for example that you build the lower into a rifle. Then a month / year later you decide to sell it as complete rifle FTF. The buyer then sells it to someone else who uses it in a crime. They track back the serial number (that registered it as a pistol). They find you and arrest you for selling a handgun without going through the proper transfer at an FFL. So, even though you built it into a rifle, they have it in the non data base as a pistol - then what do you do? In my opinion, it forces you to sell it through an FFL and do the pistol paperwork again even though it is a complete rifle. Will the FFL even do the pistol paperwork since it is a rifle? You start getting into a grey area and this allows the PSP to make the rules up as they go.

[General Geoff]

They find you and arrest you for selling a handgun without going through the proper transfer at an FFL.

No can do, the receiver was never a handgun. And they can't (legally) arrest you just because you legally purchased a receiver, and then later legally sold it as a rifle.

[Guns4Fun]

Originally Posted by General Geoff

No can do, the receiver was never a handgun. And they can't (legally) arrest you just because you legally purchased a receiver, and then later legally sold it as a rifle.

Just curious - where are you getting your info from? Logic would say that if the lower was registered as a handgun using the handgun form that it would remain a pistol.

I just think this is opening a can o worms - giving the PSP too much leadway to make up the rules as they like. I know i don't want to be the first test case for selling a registered handgun lower FTF as a rifle.

[dc dalton]

Originally Posted by fingers80002

There is NO registration in Pa!!!

Think again bucko, it looks like PSP is creating a new DB based on recievers. They got me today for an AK receiver (had to register and fill out the pistol paperwork)

Originally Posted by Guns4Fun

Ahh but see, this is where things could get a little fuzzy. Lets say for example that you build the lower into a rifle. Then a month / year later you decide to sell it as complete rifle FTF. The buyer then sells it to someone else who uses it in a crime. They track back the serial number (that registered it as a pistol). They find you and arrest you for selling a handgun without going through the proper transfer at an FFL. So, even though you built it into a rifle, they have it in the non data base as a pistol - then what do you do? In my opinion, it forces you to sell it through an FFL and do the pistol paperwork again even though it is a complete rifle. Will the FFL even do the pistol paperwork since it is a rifle? You start getting into a grey area and this allows the PSP to make the rules up as they go.

I know we are talking about this in my AK thread BUT we really need to all 'get on the same page' and figure out the legalities of this and how we can fight back.

[General Geoff]

There IS NO REGISTRATION.


The database they maintain is simply a handgun purchase database. They CANNOT, repeat, CANNOT use it as a registry for any legal purposes, including prosecuting a person for selling a rifle made from a receiver which happened to have a handgun purchase form filled out for its original transfer to a private citizen. Since it was not a handgun when you sold it, there was no reason (legal or otherwise) to fill out a handgun transfer/purchase form when you sold it. THEY would have to prove that you sold an AR PISTOL without the proper papers.


Obligatory "I am not a lawyer" disclaimer.